Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262466AbTHaRHO (ORCPT ); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:07:14 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262474AbTHaRHO (ORCPT ); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:07:14 -0400 Received: from sinma-gmbh.17.mind.de ([212.21.92.17]:52488 "EHLO gw.enyo.de") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262466AbTHaRHI (ORCPT ); Sun, 31 Aug 2003 13:07:08 -0400 To: Andrea Arcangeli Cc: =?iso-8859-1?q?J=F6rn_Engel?= , Alan Cox , Larry McVoy , Pascal Schmidt , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: bandwidth for bkbits.net (good news) References: <20030830230701.GA25845@work.bitmover.com> <20030831013928.GN24409@dualathlon.random> <20030831025659.GA18767@work.bitmover.com> <1062335711.31351.44.camel@dhcp23.swansea.linux.org.uk> <20030831144505.GS24409@dualathlon.random> <1062343891.10323.12.camel@dhcp23.swansea.linux.org.uk> <20030831154301.GD30196@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> <20030831155012.GW24409@dualathlon.random> From: Florian Weimer Mail-Followup-To: Andrea Arcangeli , =?iso-8859-1?q?J=F6rn?= Engel , Alan Cox , Larry McVoy , Pascal Schmidt , Linux Kernel Mailing List Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 19:06:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20030831155012.GW24409@dualathlon.random> (Andrea Arcangeli's message of "Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:50:12 +0200") Message-ID: <87llt9bvtc.fsf@deneb.enyo.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1003 (Gnus v5.10.3) Emacs/21.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1372 Lines: 30 Andrea Arcangeli writes: > yes, that's unfixable at Larry's end, and normaly it's unfixable for the > ISP too. The ISP can do several things to prioritize production traffic or drop malicious traffic. However, this isn't trivial and requires careful planning, and it's unlikely that anyone who is able to would want to do this for a T1 customer (typically, it requires "unusual" configuration of vital production routers with the fat pipes). >> iirc, Larry was worried about well behaved traffic still doing bad >> things to his connection. In this case, it's a bit easier for the ISP because the tweaking can be done on edge routers (which typically die during DoS attacks as well, so countermeasures cannot be applied there). Especially with low-bandwidth links, it shouldn't be too hard to find a smallish, geeky ISP who is willing to try some fiddling on the edge router to improve performance (at least that's true in Germany, don't know about the U.S.). However, why can't bkbits.net distributed around the world, at least for read access? This would eliminate the choking point once and for all. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/