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On 05/21/2018 03:13 PM, Oleksandr Andrushchenko wrote:
> On 05/21/2018 09:53 PM, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
>> On 05/21/2018 01:32 PM, Oleksandr Andrushchenko wrote:
>>> On 05/21/2018 07:35 PM, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
>>>> On 05/21/2018 01:40 AM, Oleksandr Andrushchenko wrote:
>>>>> On 05/19/2018 01:04 AM, Boris Ostrovsky wrote:
>>>>>> On 05/17/2018 04:26 AM, Oleksandr Andrushchenko wrote:
>>>>>>> From: Oleksandr Andrushchenko <oleksandr_andrushchenko@epam.com>
>>>>>> A commit message would be useful.
>>>>> Sure, v1 will have it
>>>>>>> Signed-off-by: Oleksandr Andrushchenko
>>>>>>> <oleksandr_andrushchenko@epam.com>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>         for (i = 0; i < nr_pages; i++) {
>>>>>>> -        page = alloc_page(gfp);
>>>>>>> -        if (page == NULL) {
>>>>>>> -            nr_pages = i;
>>>>>>> -            state = BP_EAGAIN;
>>>>>>> -            break;
>>>>>>> +        if (ext_pages) {
>>>>>>> +            page = ext_pages[i];
>>>>>>> +        } else {
>>>>>>> +            page = alloc_page(gfp);
>>>>>>> +            if (page == NULL) {
>>>>>>> +                nr_pages = i;
>>>>>>> +                state = BP_EAGAIN;
>>>>>>> +                break;
>>>>>>> +            }
>>>>>>>             }
>>>>>>>             scrub_page(page);
>>>>>>>             list_add(&page->lru, &pages);
>>>>>>> @@ -529,7 +565,7 @@ static enum bp_state
>>>>>>> decrease_reservation(unsigned long nr_pages, gfp_t gfp)
>>>>>>>         i = 0;
>>>>>>>         list_for_each_entry_safe(page, tmp, &pages, lru) {
>>>>>>>             /* XENMEM_decrease_reservation requires a GFN */
>>>>>>> -        frame_list[i++] = xen_page_to_gfn(page);
>>>>>>> +        frames[i++] = xen_page_to_gfn(page);
>>>>>>>       #ifdef CONFIG_XEN_HAVE_PVMMU
>>>>>>>             /*
>>>>>>> @@ -552,18 +588,22 @@ static enum bp_state
>>>>>>> decrease_reservation(unsigned long nr_pages, gfp_t gfp)
>>>>>>>     #endif
>>>>>>>             list_del(&page->lru);
>>>>>>>     -        balloon_append(page);
>>>>>>> +        if (!ext_pages)
>>>>>>> +            balloon_append(page);
>>>>>> So what you are proposing is not really ballooning. You are just
>>>>>> piggybacking on existing interfaces, aren't you?
>>>>> Sort of. Basically I need to {increase|decrease}_reservation, not
>>>>> actually
>>>>> allocating ballooned pages.
>>>>> Do you think I can simply EXPORT_SYMBOL for
>>>>> {increase|decrease}_reservation?
>>>>> Any other suggestion?
>>>> I am actually wondering how much of that code you end up reusing. You
>>>> pretty much create new code paths in both routines and common code
>>>> ends
>>>> up being essentially the hypercall.
>>> Well, I hoped that it would be easier to maintain if I modify existing
>>> code
>>> to support both use-cases, but I am also ok to create new routines if
>>> this
>>> seems to be reasonable - please let me know
>>>>    So the question is --- would it make
>>>> sense to do all of this separately from the balloon driver?
>>> This can be done, but which driver will host this code then? If we
>>> move from
>>> the balloon driver, then this could go to either gntdev or grant-table.
>>> What's your preference?
>> A separate module?
>
>> Is there any use for this feature outside of your zero-copy DRM driver?
> Intel's hyper dma-buf (Dongwon/Matt CC'ed), V4L/GPU at least.
>
> At the time I tried to upstream zcopy driver it was discussed and
> decided that
> it would be better if I remove all DRM specific code and move it to
> Xen drivers.
> Thus, this RFC.
>
> But it can also be implemented as a dedicated Xen dma-buf driver which
> will have all the
> code from this RFC + a bit more (char/misc device handling at least).
> This will also require a dedicated user-space library, just like
> libxengnttab.so
> for gntdev (now I have all new IOCTLs covered there).
>
> If the idea of a dedicated Xen dma-buf driver seems to be more
> attractive we
> can work toward this solution. BTW, I do support this idea, but was not
> sure if Xen community accepts yet another driver which duplicates
> quite some code
> of the existing gntdev/balloon/grant-table. And now after this RFC I
> hope that all cons
> and pros of both dedicated driver and gntdev/balloon/grant-table
> extension are
> clearly seen and we can make a decision.


IIRC the objection for a separate module was in the context of gntdev
was discussion, because (among other things) people didn't want to have
yet another file in /dev/xen/

Here we are talking about (a new) balloon-like module which doesn't
create any new user-visible interfaces. And as for duplicating code ---
as I said, I am not convinced there is much of duplication.

I might even argue that we should add a new config option for this module.


-boris

>
>>
>> -boris
> Thank you,
> Oleksandr
> [1]
> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2018-April/173163.html