Received: by 2002:ac0:a594:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id m20-v6csp3622589imm; Fri, 25 May 2018 08:45:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AB8JxZrdjniKPWm/1BM9t0WduoYXlNN6EyIwMTWyYRvYGfVlTI1nVhE501a0lveh02Ex1o2AYv4L X-Received: by 2002:a63:7807:: with SMTP id t7-v6mr2443639pgc.125.1527263148440; Fri, 25 May 2018 08:45:48 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1527263148; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=pD4I1DO3B/YzZmQ6F5I8jONZI/mKkvn+iJxGNSkZFG6yi5EHuix4t3YQn8LIYl1mHx QG/vBOx0Y/FQvr2nCBNckdFiSuUhnKxMqSRZnAPTdhvZyihxjRGmglfejQ1uSp3m3Mm6 8+Oub/7BsTvWRbfCNZ9sHdgFJmswzRz+JZCJG4NOcy4+7d7TDrmtbstBiZQZGTFCfHmk N9v+LeTrs9dmY8Afr1qkyUtkEZVTQGMaOjFaN2NUXK8L5q7Wn+5YL4JaMo+fUxGGkbzw qVNkI0ywjvL9t3p5pBjRmUwzlfK1HN8/upqpaojsNlmSTyQm1wWw8OhogyrNH4KdqaYC NMJg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:mime-version:user-agent:references :message-id:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:date :arc-authentication-results; bh=Fykq3bWx2NqlrPa9MPa+U6Ytps/fZ4XDANxoiSKLfLU=; b=IjC8llSuV8XoogAdopKiAr1E+OUlxy4XlL2wAM5urrg6VJlWu6lfExB18WKGt0bh0I Uh0tw/phDwTMVHuRaopZyt/mvhvkWUjWm1NigvVoZCVMfITpVfH7s3wrfvDFX/ZiObVW wMxpMuUpb1QabWVCRMdJZGzZYpj3yEBnku87lS4VzkeKgrAzmh4Am5YIbXUlSMOgGR7k 1J9IZG9IvUA/Vn2qItsQ5t22JRgsmylzx5PTdq41PKb/Lc5RxRoJCEAhi+iqQmsPHZrQ mWpCjidtsXkptrOQKjmLGITWaqQ7UshZWtwNzjAhokGw7rjTW7cA/DFlrksOmKfunIQY YILw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id h8-v6si5974129pll.58.2018.05.25.08.45.33; Fri, 25 May 2018 08:45:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S966625AbeEYPoU (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 25 May 2018 11:44:20 -0400 Received: from namei.org ([65.99.196.166]:37118 "EHLO namei.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S965729AbeEYPoS (ORCPT ); Fri, 25 May 2018 11:44:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by namei.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id w4PFfqJE012418; Fri, 25 May 2018 15:41:52 GMT Date: Sat, 26 May 2018 01:41:52 +1000 (AEST) From: James Morris To: "Eric W. Biederman" cc: Mimi Zohar , linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, David Howells , "Luis R . Rodriguez" , kexec@lists.infradead.org, Andres Rodriguez , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Ard Biesheuvel , Kees Cook , Casey Schaufler Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/7] security: rename security_kernel_read_file() hook In-Reply-To: <87po1k2304.fsf@xmission.com> Message-ID: References: <1527160176-29269-1-git-send-email-zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <1527160176-29269-2-git-send-email-zohar@linux.vnet.ibm.com> <87po1k2304.fsf@xmission.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (LRH 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 24 May 2018, Eric W. Biederman wrote: > Below is where I suggest you start on sorting out these security hooks. > - Adding a security_kernel_arg to catch when you want to allow/deny the > use of an argument to a syscall. What security_kernel_file_read and > security_kernel_file_post_read have been abused for. NAK. This abstraction is too semantically weak. LSM hooks need to map to stronger semantics so we can reason about what the hook and the policy is supposed to be mediating. -- James Morris