Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261336AbTICG5k (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:57:40 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261341AbTICG5k (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:57:40 -0400 Received: from 81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk ([81.2.122.30]:1664 "EHLO 81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261336AbTICG5j (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 02:57:39 -0400 Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2003 08:10:33 +0100 From: John Bradford Message-Id: <200309030710.h837AXnR000500@81-2-122-30.bradfords.org.uk> To: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, lm@bitmover.com Subject: Re: Scaling noise Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1602 Lines: 33 > Tell me again that it is a good idea to screw up uniprocessor performance > for 64 way machines. Great idea, that. Go Dinosaurs! I suspect Larry is actually right that uniprocessor and $smallnum CPUs SMP performance will remain the most important, but I don't agree with his reasoning: Once true virtualisation becomes part of a mainstream microprocessor architecture, we'll start to see a lot of small ISPs wanting to move 4 or so 1U servers on to a single, 1U SMP box. Server consolidation saves money in many ways - physical LAN cabling is replaced by virtual LANs, less network hardware such as switches is required, there is less hardware to break, you can add a new Linux image in seconds using spare capacity rather than going out and buying a new box. Once the option of running a firewall, a hot spare firewall, a customer webserver, a hot spare customer webserver, mail server, backup mail server, and a few virtual machines for customers, all on a 1U box, why are you going to want to pay for seven or more Us in a datacentre, plus extra network hardware? You can do this today on Z/Series, but you need to consolidate a lot of machines to make it financially viable. Once virtualisation is available on cheaper hardware, everybody will want $bignum way SMP boxes, but no Linux image will run on more than $smallnum virtual CPUs. John. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/