Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264621AbTIDCvS (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:51:18 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264619AbTIDCvA (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:51:00 -0400 Received: from citrine.spiritone.com ([216.99.193.133]:21460 "EHLO citrine.spiritone.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S264609AbTIDCte (ORCPT ); Wed, 3 Sep 2003 22:49:34 -0400 Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2003 19:48:03 -0700 From: "Martin J. Bligh" To: Larry McVoy cc: "Brown, Len" , Giuliano Pochini , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Scaling noise Message-ID: <9110000.1062643682@[10.10.2.4]> In-Reply-To: <20030904023446.GG5227@work.bitmover.com> References: <20030903173213.GC5769@work.bitmover.com> <89360000.1062613076@flay> <20030904003633.GA5227@work.bitmover.com> <6130000.1062642088@[10.10.2.4]> <20030904023446.GG5227@work.bitmover.com> X-Mailer: Mulberry/2.2.1 (Linux/x86) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1905 Lines: 36 >> --Larry McVoy wrote (on Wednesday, September 03, 2003 17:36:33 -0700): >> > They have to be, CPUs are fast enough >> > to handle most problems, clustering has worked for lots of big companies >> > like Google, Amazon, Yahoo, and the HPC market has been flat for years. >> > So where's the growth? Nowhere I can see. If I'm not seeing it, show >> > me the data. I may be a pain in the ass but I'll change my mind instantly >> > when you show me data that says something different than what I believe. >> > So far, all I've seen is people having fun proving that their ego is >> > bigger than the next guys, no real data. Come on, you'd love nothing >> > better than to prove me wrong. Do it. Or admit that you can't. >> >> Not quite sure why the onus is on the rest of us to disprove your pet >> theory, rather than you to prove it. > > Maybe because history has shown over and over again that your pet theory > doesn't work. Mine might be wrong but it hasn't been proven wrong. Yours > has. Multiple times. Please, this makes no sense. Why do you think IBM and others make large machines? Stupidity? From my experience they're hard assed "if it don't make a profit, nor is likely to, then it can piss off" marketeers. Which often pisses me off, but still ... if it didn't make money, they wouldn't do it. And no, I can't go get you internal confidential sales figures, but I'll bet you we're not selling these things at a loss for our own general self-flagellating amusement. I don't think you're stupid, but please ... who do you think has better data on this? IBM market research people? or you? I think I'd bet on IBM. M. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/