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Subject: Re: Spectre mitigation doesn't seem to work at all?!
To:     Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
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From:   Andreas Hartmann <andihartmann@freenet.de>
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Date:   Mon, 4 Jun 2018 10:50:07 +0200
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Hello Peter,

thanks for your answer! I appreciate it!

On 06/04/2018 at 10:15 AM Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 01, 2018 at 02:19:38PM +0200, Andreas Hartmann wrote:
> 
>> I tested the spectre mitigation of different machines and kernels with
>> https://github.com/crozone/SpectrePoC
>>
>> You can see the results below.
> 
>> My question: Did I miss something?
> 
> Yes.
> 
>> Build: ... INTEL_MITIGATION_DISABLED LINUX_KERNEL_MITIGATION_DISABLED
>> Build: ... INTEL_MITIGATION_DISABLED LINUX_KERNEL_MITIGATION_DISABLED
>> Build: ... INTEL_MITIGATION_DISABLED LINUX_KERNEL_MITIGATION_DISABLED
> 
>                               ^^^^^^^^                         ^^^^^^^^
> 
> The POC is a v1 on itself. V1 needs to be fixed for every individual
> executable (worse, for every individual location in the code, and we're
> still finding them). The kernel mitigation status for v1 only indicates
> the kernel itself has mitigations (for some locations).
> 
> The POC is meant to test effectiveness of these mitigations, either the
> original LFENCE or the dependent instruction thing, but you have to
> enable one or the other.

Ok, this means every program running on the machine has to care itself
to be spectre v1 - safe.

A malicious program most probably won't care about that. Therefore, my
next question is: which memory regions can be exploited by a malicious
program? The complete physical memory or only the memory provided to the
malicious program? Should be the latter if this approach should have any
impact.


Thanks,
Andreas