Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S265531AbTIDVNV (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:13:21 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S265528AbTIDVNV (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:13:21 -0400 Received: from mta06-svc.ntlworld.com ([62.253.162.46]:40940 "EHLO mta06-svc.ntlworld.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S265531AbTIDVNR (ORCPT ); Thu, 4 Sep 2003 17:13:17 -0400 From: James Clark Reply-To: jimwclark@ntlworld.com To: Rik van Riel Subject: Re: Driver Model 2 Proposal - Linux Kernel Performance v Usability Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:12:25 +0100 User-Agent: KMail/1.5 References: In-Reply-To: Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200309042212.25052.jimwclark@ntlworld.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1132 Lines: 27 Why would binary drivers be any harder to debug than the existing binary kernel. If you want to debug something use the source code. My proposal doesn't remove the need for quality public source code but it does isolate the kernel components and allow for 'plugin' use on different kernels both old and new. If a relatively small kernel component can be turned on/off and upgraded at will, without changing ANYTHING else, this would be a big step forward. James On Thursday 04 Sep 2003 9:29 pm, you wrote: > On Thu, 4 Sep 2003, James Clark wrote: > > I'm very surprised by the number of posts that have ranted about > > Open/Close source, GPL/taint issues etc. This is not about source code > > it is about making Linux usable by the masses. > > How would "making it easier to include impossible to debug > device drivers" help towards your goal of making Linux more > usable ? - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/