Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262566AbTIENsv (ORCPT ); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:48:51 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262567AbTIENsv (ORCPT ); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:48:51 -0400 Received: from 69-55-72-141.ppp.netsville.net ([69.55.72.141]:38861 "EHLO tiny.suse.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262566AbTIENss (ORCPT ); Fri, 5 Sep 2003 09:48:48 -0400 Subject: Re: precise characterization of ext3 atomicity From: Chris Mason To: Andreas Dilger Cc: Hans Reiser , Mike Fedyk , Andrew Morton , reiserfs-list@namesys.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <20030904160344.E15623@schatzie.adilger.int> References: <3F574A49.7040900@namesys.com> <20030904085537.78c251b3.akpm@osdl.org> <3F576176.3010202@namesys.com> <20030904091256.1dca14a5.akpm@osdl.org> <3F57676E.7010804@namesys.com> <20030904181540.GC13676@matchmail.com> <3F578656.60005@namesys.com> <20030904132804.D15623@schatzie.adilger.int> <3F57AF79.1040702@namesys.com> <20030904160344.E15623@schatzie.adilger.int> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1062769640.31951.209.camel@tiny.suse.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.3 Date: 05 Sep 2003 09:47:20 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1291 Lines: 26 On Thu, 2003-09-04 at 18:03, Andreas Dilger wrote: > On Sep 05, 2003 01:32 +0400, Hans Reiser wrote: > > Andreas Dilger wrote: > > >It is possible to do the same with ext3, namely exporting journal_start() > > >and journal_stop() (or some interface to them) to userspace so the application > > >can start a transaction for multiple operations. We had discussed this in > > >the past, but decided not to do so because user applications can screw up in > > >so many ways, and if an application uses these interfaces it is possible to > > >deadlock the entire filesystem if the application isn't well behaved. > > > > That's why we confine it to a (finite #defined number) set of > > operations within one sys_reiser4 call. At some point we will allow > > trusted user space processes to span multiple system calls (mail server > > applicances, database appliances, etc., might find this useful). You > > might consider supporting sys_reiser4 at some point. Please rename sys_reiser4 if you want it to be a generic use syscall ;-) -chris - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/