Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67;
MIME-Version: 1.0
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXO8R+RQPhJFk4oiA4PF77OgSS2Yro_POXQj1zvdLo61A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20180607143807.3611-1-yu-cheng.yu@intel.com> <20180607143807.3611-7-yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>
 <CALCETrU6axo158CiSCRRkC4GC5hib9hypC98t7LLjA3gDaacsw@mail.gmail.com>
 <1528403417.5265.35.camel@2b52.sc.intel.com> <CALCETrXz3WWgZwUXJsDTWvmqKUArQFuMH1xJdSLVKFpTysNWxg@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAMe9rOr49V8rqRa_KVsw61PWd+crkQvPDgPKtvowazjmsfgWWQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <alpine.DEB.2.21.1806121155450.2157@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
 <CAMe9rOoCiXQ4iVD3j_AHGrvEXtoaVVZVs7H7fCuqNEuuR5j+2Q@mail.gmail.com> <CALCETrXO8R+RQPhJFk4oiA4PF77OgSS2Yro_POXQj1zvdLo61A@mail.gmail.com>
From:   "H.J. Lu" <hjl.tools@gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 12 Jun 2018 09:05:24 -0700
Message-ID: <CAMe9rOpLxPussn7gKvn0GgbOB4f5W+DKOGipe_8NMam+Afd+RA@mail.gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 06/10] x86/cet: Add arch_prctl functions for shadow stack
To:     Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Cc:     Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
        Yu-cheng Yu <yu-cheng.yu@intel.com>,
        LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
        Linux-MM <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
        linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
        "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
        "Shanbhogue, Vedvyas" <vedvyas.shanbhogue@intel.com>,
        "Ravi V. Shankar" <ravi.v.shankar@intel.com>,
        Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
        Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
        Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
        mike.kravetz@oracle.com
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org
Precedence: bulk

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 9:01 AM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 4:43 AM H.J. Lu <hjl.tools@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 12, 2018 at 3:03 AM, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
>> > On Thu, 7 Jun 2018, H.J. Lu wrote:
>> >> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 2:01 PM, Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote:
>> >> > Why is the lockout necessary?  If user code enables CET and tries to
>> >> > run code that doesn't support CET, it will crash.  I don't see why we
>> >> > need special code in the kernel to prevent a user program from calling
>> >> > arch_prctl() and crashing itself.  There are already plenty of ways to
>> >> > do that :)
>> >>
>> >> On CET enabled machine, not all programs nor shared libraries are
>> >> CET enabled.  But since ld.so is CET enabled, all programs start
>> >> as CET enabled.  ld.so will disable CET if a program or any of its shared
>> >> libraries aren't CET enabled.  ld.so will lock up CET once it is done CET
>> >> checking so that CET can't no longer be disabled afterwards.
>> >
>> > That works for stuff which loads all libraries at start time, but what
>> > happens if the program uses dlopen() later on? If CET is force locked and
>> > the library is not CET enabled, it will fail.
>>
>> That is to prevent disabling CET by dlopening a legacy shared library.
>>
>> > I don't see the point of trying to support CET by magic. It adds complexity
>> > and you'll never be able to handle all corner cases correctly. dlopen() is
>> > not even a corner case.
>>
>> That is a price we pay for security.  To enable CET, especially shadow
>> shack, the program and all of shared libraries it uses should be CET
>> enabled.  Most of programs can be enabled with CET by compiling them
>> with -fcf-protection.
>
> If you charge too high a price for security, people may turn it off.
> I think we're going to need a mode where a program says "I want to use
> the CET, but turn it off if I dlopen an unsupported library".  There
> are programs that load binary-only plugins.

You can do

# export GLIBC_TUNABLES=glibc.tune.hwcaps=-SHSTK

which turns off shadow stack.


-- 
H.J.