Received: by 2002:ac0:a581:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id m1-v6csp1490452imm; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:04:21 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADUXVKKamqmIBbakCHEN0biIDTABJjo7SRElI28WUA43s1QYA87d9/+nE/MUquQkHSL2fTsMolbH X-Received: by 2002:a62:db05:: with SMTP id f5-v6mr25169316pfg.123.1529550261909; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:04:21 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1529550261; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=D+u2tpqZ76ofH8OAxv9NYseJcj7v9zFdVOIuVLOYflJMsK6NqAgD6Sn84iXqKywmi6 jAHZWu87BrPoWyd1bckfaQ/ED7qZK8jDqzB45HW0S8vkINY0RVZ1rFdvykSim8frmgSM 8IGOU3buU6O4FGvV6EGRcBlN2eNZxMEDPoN7Y+9RHE7+LBTda9hM6TB5fAHmbatg8ZqT T1yOczGq+Qp8rFB5wj92/E+S1EVYV/KERwe2Kn41shKq0rYWon9GOn6H+z1pEWm5a+7x UguVpXesQpVhLli5PDXV1xZSiv4Wu1h6slLQgM15C+6DY2C6hp/V3i8jaPL3sJHXv0Gg DyrA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:mime-version:user-agent:references :message-id:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:date:dkim-signature :arc-authentication-results; bh=EKj6KidGJxwt66S2J2eaYKGxGLyUo9K3Gy8941FR52c=; b=XEFSRTqlVH4WLDfD2dGhjf+6saFIFhuNoJO4RLQHCy05GFqziSwpgDlZpTtq7ucqPO ug8E3C98vsyP5D6e96lLrEDPJis6JhGactA9wiV2A8sqdSh56tooHa6Bo3vhbuE9ia+N v1Rc+dvDhHQ5arhQ/voOH0UeFCgasQ+P47ILVnzpZFtT9grW7LjUM7Byj0SmxdGZj//E 1ehUhwPwOtN+aezLb3pdJjdYQt3BSPMWh+GgLgFeUNydcMQQXK8UNI1zQNFteDR85+7+ wrdXyCiukF0sAzqOg3gwyBV5PtdspC+YCJAbQkZMRzVPbhcdSmhaxFDayzJ7F7yu9GyB QdXQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@linaro.org header.s=google header.b=NdwJiydI; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=linaro.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id g2-v6si3803822plp.233.2018.06.20.20.04.06; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:04:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@linaro.org header.s=google header.b=NdwJiydI; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=linaro.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1754597AbeFUDDY (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 20 Jun 2018 23:03:24 -0400 Received: from mail-qk0-f194.google.com ([209.85.220.194]:42866 "EHLO mail-qk0-f194.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754451AbeFUDDX (ORCPT ); Wed, 20 Jun 2018 23:03:23 -0400 Received: by mail-qk0-f194.google.com with SMTP id j80-v6so988177qke.9 for ; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:03:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linaro.org; s=google; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id:references :user-agent:mime-version; bh=EKj6KidGJxwt66S2J2eaYKGxGLyUo9K3Gy8941FR52c=; b=NdwJiydIamllDj/ju0rs0Zm50iTc5Da+LdDxIaULSfH2W0hyaysIVf0ELSk5VzBEHp omIHblrVGG1xJSCeN5081I99UmG841HbDdOQ/iUMilvkuJ2wOYg3Tl2T7vRMshjb/V9v WRHSFogZF0oyv8P1FmZtJvckOzRPTJLkxTTFA= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:date:from:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:message-id :references:user-agent:mime-version; bh=EKj6KidGJxwt66S2J2eaYKGxGLyUo9K3Gy8941FR52c=; b=NF+2dAhwrglEKmLw/YJ9sKrS+xFACN8+CuV9NhI4e7COmEwUHnh8dpA+K7gC+GxcAe Wd43fWpbFRuf5lRCM2D4yYS6eaEaAcD9d6okjlbw/aRJBtIa8M09eal6fjDucKgUupeM R97jI4mfLzgXlv/51b04P73F9aU9uh4WHGw7ocJ8sIm82aa9QOwCyy2oJSEd6r+zpP/z ha2xt1VmPinv73oBgpp3pe+pCBtbwCv1Y85+pSdxdGX/zBclSfdVc30mzENebaEgxtZW g1TXegCJhBsr86DWwLFcecBJH+pYPRUmSJS3nlmn18iObt9Ffcm33uYFuEBWQ/733Zbu 3jSw== X-Gm-Message-State: APt69E1PjXj9DErtV0oM92fBTfu9NfzxArR8rtUZ11Oc+7AKEPtr8XFj fk3B79AR9loQLPQ9TaxSpI5ox+SNjIU= X-Received: by 2002:a37:1f0c:: with SMTP id f12-v6mr19383197qkf.376.1529550202999; Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from xanadu.home (modemcable228.104-82-70.mc.videotron.ca. [70.82.104.228]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m70-v6sm3183025qkl.72.2018.06.20.20.03.22 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Wed, 20 Jun 2018 20:03:22 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2018 23:03:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicolas Pitre To: Dave Mielke cc: Adam Borowski , Greg Kroah-Hartman , Samuel Thibault , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] have the vt console preserve unicode characters In-Reply-To: <20180621022137.GB18453@beta.private.mielke.cc> Message-ID: References: <20180617190706.14614-1-nicolas.pitre@linaro.org> <20180619130953.bxil552igfkckjmr@angband.pl> <20180621014317.ebslk3gwvpq3k6sq@angband.pl> <20180621022137.GB18453@beta.private.mielke.cc> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (LFD 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="8323328-1432461488-1529550202=:16670" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --8323328-1432461488-1529550202=:16670 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Wed, 20 Jun 2018, Dave Mielke wrote: > [quoted lines by Adam Borowski on 2018/06/21 at 03:43 +0200] > > >It's meant for displaying braille to _sighted_ people. And in real world, > >the main [ab]use is a way to show images that won't get corrupted by > >proportional fonts. :-? > > It's not abuse at all. I often use U+28xx to show sighted people what the > braille for something looks like. I often need to do this when, for example, I > need them to comapre what I'm showing them to what's on an actual braille > display. U+28xx is the only way for me to do this without a lengthy description > containing sequences of dot number combinations. > > Also, U+28xx is the only reasonable way to share braille music between people > who use different languages. > > >The primary users would be: > >* people who want symbols uncorrupted (especially if their language uses a > > non-latin script) > >* CJK people (as discussed below) > > Again, that's not true. Why aren't braille users included in this list? After > all, it's we who motivated this enhancement. I guess actual blind people > mustn't count just because there are relatively fewer of us. :-( I'd say blind people fall in the "people who want symbols uncorrupted" category. Nicolas --8323328-1432461488-1529550202=:16670--