Received: by 2002:ac0:a5a7:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id m36-v6csp2105763imm; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 02:13:14 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpeTGOXmcDtKHWTulC6YWqMPwfRg2ekMMhadyPftYn8aoKGq5owrzPrm520FA0NsXBMqjbGI X-Received: by 2002:a63:3190:: with SMTP id x138-v6mr14696077pgx.60.1531732394810; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 02:13:14 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1531732394; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=J0vVzxVNFjRm7KtaqaR15LwAOfwPeBujwXfALh+oxWlMC5NxuotoIvYICIS5sf/v3/ n02LDellB3AGSys4BoA4Sfo82I+DCoBbcjAUEwpMT26wferTHxAxjImbeVhnWehB5vCH mVWEtYWTu4BEeO7NA8fM1aF2IKf4+rXB3dJmbanD86tpZNgJmGC7sOYjUwtgJ3kXprS1 GOS61t1dDghwlSswGtQugQujt97Z5f65Rvr+4HP+CX5NCQKAS3cZcuYMstmHEqFt72FC 9eCYuTvDzg4gu1Wki0y42BN9HSjpMtyS7m7qK+6eyhJ7lrlsZUVKDltYpNDDf7vA9F9x PIxw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:user-agent:in-reply-to :content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc :to:from:date:arc-authentication-results; bh=7aycOF8Fld1d5bQqf9q//9pskHdzGT5wu5aaSsdckN8=; b=lKti4dNglwFNTWgIy+oB77a8rumnLcZVvK0Mq/ddVz179XZzhFzyMm43MIgnUqTOzd 160dXNf1398ZEzHOjOYKvLDZE4qOklESPrVs8xcBWOGlGhEfUa2TfVnRj2pmGDa7tKzw QgnjQedWUU4cJIbRwKC4T/Cay1z0DtrOzM3wPkTNclWlTTItzVtrbpaXkE4UNk5PFh5r zpWOWlGSZg3u+uTfb8VtETiW+4y1jap7Q2nkVQedaa7FZkjy6PmvsfZRvgD1H55tgZVB ULETXiF1aIETxcbJ4HPkApnPzrHVSlEtSbROkoeLtbXhApr+o5Ptp5HpKNAgA2JerNXY pjqA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id l26-v6si14268057pfo.325.2018.07.16.02.12.59; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 02:13:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1729357AbeGPJix (ORCPT + 99 others); Mon, 16 Jul 2018 05:38:53 -0400 Received: from mx2.suse.de ([195.135.220.15]:59936 "EHLO mx1.suse.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727022AbeGPJiw (ORCPT ); Mon, 16 Jul 2018 05:38:52 -0400 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at test-mx.suse.de Received: from relay2.suse.de (unknown [195.135.220.254]) by mx1.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA41AE4C; Mon, 16 Jul 2018 09:12:24 +0000 (UTC) Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2018 11:12:22 +0200 From: Michal Hocko To: Dave Chinner Cc: James Bottomley , Linus Torvalds , Matthew Wilcox , Waiman Long , Al Viro , Jonathan Corbet , "Luis R. Rodriguez" , Kees Cook , Linux Kernel Mailing List , linux-fsdevel , linux-mm , "open list:DOCUMENTATION" , Jan Kara , Paul McKenney , Andrew Morton , Ingo Molnar , Miklos Szeredi , Larry Woodman , "Wangkai (Kevin,C)" Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 0/7] fs/dcache: Track & limit # of negative dentries Message-ID: <20180716091222.GI17280@dhcp22.suse.cz> References: <18c5cbfe-403b-bb2b-1d11-19d324ec6234@redhat.com> <1531336913.3260.18.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <4d49a270-23c9-529f-f544-65508b6b53cc@redhat.com> <1531411494.18255.6.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20180712164932.GA3475@bombadil.infradead.org> <1531416080.18255.8.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1531425435.18255.17.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20180713003614.GW2234@dastard> <20180716090901.GG17280@dhcp22.suse.cz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20180716090901.GG17280@dhcp22.suse.cz> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.0 (2018-05-17) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon 16-07-18 11:09:01, Michal Hocko wrote: > On Fri 13-07-18 10:36:14, Dave Chinner wrote: > [...] > > By limiting the number of negative dentries in this case, internal > > slab fragmentation is reduced such that reclaim cost never gets out > > of control. While it appears to "fix" the symptoms, it doesn't > > address the underlying problem. It is a partial solution at best but > > at worst it's another opaque knob that nobody knows how or when to > > tune. > > Would it help to put all the negative dentries into its own slab cache? We couldn't http://lkml.kernel.org/r/20180714173516.uumlhs4wgfgrlc32@devuan Sorry I haven't noticed the other line of discussion -- Michal Hocko SUSE Labs