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Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <71bd1b65-2a88-5de7-9789-bf4fac26507d@redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.78 on 10.11.54.6 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.11.55.8]); Mon, 16 Jul 2018 19:49:09 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.11.55.8]); Mon, 16 Jul 2018 19:49:09 +0000 (UTC) for IP:'10.11.54.6' DOMAIN:'int-mx06.intmail.prod.int.rdu2.redhat.com' HELO:'smtp.corp.redhat.com' FROM:'david@redhat.com' RCPT:'' Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 11.06.2018 14:33, David Hildenbrand wrote: > On 11.06.2018 13:56, Michal Hocko wrote: >> On Mon 11-06-18 13:53:49, David Hildenbrand wrote: >>> On 24.05.2018 23:07, David Hildenbrand wrote: >>>> On 24.05.2018 16:22, Michal Hocko wrote: >>>>> I will go over the rest of the email later I just wanted to make this >>>>> point clear because I suspect we are talking past each other. >>>> >>>> It sounds like we are now talking about how to solve the problem. I like >>>> that :) >>>> >>> >>> Hi Michal, >>> >>> did you have time to think about the details of your proposed idea? >> >> Not really. Sorry about that. It's been busy time. I am planning to >> revisit after merge window closes. >> > > Sure no worries, I still have a bunch of other things to work on. But it > would be nice to clarify soon in which direction I have to head to get > this implemented and upstream (e.g. what I proposed, what you proposed > or maybe something different). > I would really like to make progress here. I pointed out basic problems/questions with the proposed alternative. I think I answered all your questions. But you also said that you are not going to accept the current approach. So some decision has to be made. Although it's very demotivating and frustrating (I hope not all work in the MM area will be like this), if there is no guidance on how to proceed, I'll have to switch to adding/removing/onlining/offlining whole segments. This is not what I want, but maybe this has a higher chance of getting reviews/acks. Understanding that you are busy, please if you make suggestions, follow up on responses. -- Thanks, David / dhildenb