Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261443AbTIWQgK (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:36:10 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261586AbTIWQgK (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:36:10 -0400 Received: from [65.39.167.210] ([65.39.167.210]:54146 "HELO innerfire.net") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S261443AbTIWQgG (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:36:06 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 12:36:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Gerhard Mack To: Maciej Soltysiak cc: Russell King , Jan Evert van Grootheest , Mike Galbraith , german aracil boned , Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: ATTACK TO MY SYSTEM In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2571 Lines: 63 Worse than this is the fact that some idiot wrote spam software that tells each RECPIANT that someone tried to send them spam. I saw a cc list hat included half of linux-kernel. Gerhard On Tue, 23 Sep 2003, Maciej Soltysiak wrote: > Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 14:55:57 +0200 (CEST) > From: Maciej Soltysiak > To: Russell King > Cc: Jan Evert van Grootheest , > Mike Galbraith , > german aracil boned , > linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > Subject: Re: [OFFTOPIC] Re: ATTACK TO MY SYSTEM > > > When there are enough complaints to mail server admins, hopefully the > > philosophy will change. > It is changing. I have been talking to antivirus software people (nod32) > and I suggested that their virus signatures could have information whether > the virus spoofs the sender address or not, and then simply do not send > replies for infected mail. I got a response that they are working on it, > and that other antivirus software developers like dudes from symantec, > sophos, mcaffe, etc... are working on it also. > > So we should have a slightly better solution to that when the software > gets better. > > Also note the disinformative effect of the virus on plain users. > We will have all of these problem until the protocols get seriously > improved. We urgently need a reliable and secure SMTP replacing or > extending protocol, which would aid in tracking down the culprits. > TCP/IP Ideas like icmp traceback messages (it's still an IETF draft) > and other ideas will hopefully help us cut down on spoofing, flooding, > etc, as the detection will improve. Anyway these are my wishes for the > Internet Community. The protocols we are using today (SMTP, IP) are > inadequate due to lacks in their defensive value. > > I also heard that there is work in progress conerning SMTP > replacement/improvement by enhancements. > > Regards, > Maciej > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > -- Gerhard Mack gmack@innerfire.net <>< As a computer I find your faith in technology amusing. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/