Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S262119AbTIWWy3 (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:54:29 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S262123AbTIWWy3 (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:54:29 -0400 Received: from fw.osdl.org ([65.172.181.6]:3046 "EHLO mail.osdl.org") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S262119AbTIWWy0 (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:54:26 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 15:54:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Linus Torvalds To: Andrea Arcangeli cc: Kernel Mailing List , Matthew Wilcox , Marcelo Tosatti , Larry McVoy Subject: Re: log-buf-len dynamic In-Reply-To: <20030923221528.GP1269@velociraptor.random> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 3715 Lines: 87 On Wed, 24 Sep 2003, Andrea Arcangeli wrote: > > we have cvsps and subversion these days, it's not about cvs only anymore. Neither of those are anywhere close to bk. In particular, they don't support any kind of distributed development. They aren't even trying to, I'm sad to say. And to me, distributed development is the only thing that matters. And I realise it isn't to you. You don't much care about merging, you only have your tree you need to worry about. And you know what? You shouldn't have to care. I'm not berating you for using CVS/SVN/whatever. I'm berating you for complaining when _others_ have come to the conclusion that CVS/SVN/whatever really doesn't cut it for them. Use CVS and be happy. But don't complain to others that have needs that CVS simply can't fill. [ Bad analogy time ] You're acting like a husband that has a wife that refuses to use make-up, and thinks that everybody else should have ugly wives too, and calls them whores for being prettier. Actually, in the CVS analogy, I don't think it's that your wife refuses to use make-up, but that make-up doesn't actually help. [ Ok, let's see just _how_ badly I get flamed for that analogy. I admit, it really sucks, and is tasteless to boot. My bad. ] > But note that cvs+cvsps is already perfectly usable for me, most people > is readonly anyways Indeed. That's pretty much all non-distributed stuff is useful for, from where I'm stading. Small projects with a few developers and a lot of read-only stuff. And even there the developers will bitch about the limitations. Sure, SVN makes branches cheaper, but you still have to work with them like under CVS, ie merging is a total disaster. And you still can't make it your private repository. But that wasn't really my point. My point is that you're only starting flame wars, with no actual point to your emails. Please don't. "Those that can, do. Those that can't, complain". You're complaining, right now. Everybody who has ever used BK admits to its techical superiority. That's just a fact. I don't care about source control software, so I'm not likely to start coding one any time soon (like "ever") - but if I did, I'd be totally _ashamed_ to push lower-quality stuff on users. I'd make excuses for it, and I'd 'fess up when they didn't work. And I'd try my best to make it better. Even if it took me a decade. In contrast, what you're doing is saying "ignore the good stuff: use this crap, because I'm buddies with the people developing it. We aren't even trying to compete on technical terms, but we'll push our version on you because we've got religion, and this doesn't contain any cow-meat". That's bad - especially if others DON'T share the religion. I'm ok with other people using NT. When it's better for them, that's their choice. I work hard to make sure that the Linux kernel is technically superior, and if I feel it isn't I want to fix it. Because I do _not_ want people using Linux for religious reasons. I want people to use Linux because it is _better_ for them, of because they truly believe that they can make it so (or at least have fun trying). Take pride in what you do. But don't make that pride blind you to what is good technology, and what isn't. Don't get religion. It's a science. Oh well. I told you not to start a flamewar, and I told Larry to not raise to the bait. Now I'll just take my own advice and stop responding. You too please stop baiting, Linus - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/