Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261237AbTIXBUG (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:20:06 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261240AbTIXBUG (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:20:06 -0400 Received: from smtp.bitmover.com ([192.132.92.12]:20354 "EHLO smtp.bitmover.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261237AbTIXBUC (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 21:20:02 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:19:51 -0700 From: Larry McVoy To: Andrea Arcangeli Cc: Linus Torvalds , Kernel Mailing List , Matthew Wilcox , Marcelo Tosatti , Larry McVoy Subject: Re: log-buf-len dynamic Message-ID: <20030924011951.GA5615@work.bitmover.com> Mail-Followup-To: Larry McVoy , Andrea Arcangeli , Linus Torvalds , Kernel Mailing List , Matthew Wilcox , Marcelo Tosatti , Larry McVoy References: <20030923221528.GP1269@velociraptor.random> <20030924003652.GI16314@velociraptor.random> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030924003652.GI16314@velociraptor.random> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i X-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam (whitelisted), SpamAssassin (score=0.3, required 7, AWL) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 2245 Lines: 45 On Wed, Sep 24, 2003 at 02:36:52AM +0200, Andrea Arcangeli wrote: > You're right I should provide new code, and avoid comments on the a bit > inferior info in bkcvs (that Larry nicely offered to even improve after > cvs gets properly fixed), but I had no real interest in this area todate > and my job keeps most of my time full already and that's higher > priority. The problem I have is as follows: a) I understand your point of view and from the very first version of BK we released we addressed it. 100% of the data and the metadata is available from the command line with BK. Always has been and always will be, if that's not true that is is a bug and we'll fix it. People use BK because they like it, not because we locked them in. b) I understand your need to not be dependent on BitMover or BitKeeper. That's why we built the CVS gateway, so you wouldn't need to depend on us, the data you care about is available in a form that doesn't require any license agreements. What the above two points demonstrate, dramatically so, is that we understand your concerns and agree with them. We have spent a lot of time and money to make sure that you are happy. Not whining, not flaming, we were writing code to make you happy. We were writing that code long before you ever heard of BitKeeper and we have the revision history to prove it. What we expected in return was the same understanding. What we got was you complaining about us, in public, over and over. Andrea, you need to grow up and learn that biting the hand that is held out to you and is helping you, that's not smart. What you have done is to make all the people who tried so hard to help you dislike you. That is your problem. You need to grow up. The world is based on relationships, people helping each other. That means you help those who help you, or at least don't piss all over those who help you. -- --- Larry McVoy lm at bitmover.com http://www.bitmover.com/lm - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/