Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S261282AbTIXCBP (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:01:15 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S261271AbTIXCBP (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:01:15 -0400 Received: from holomorphy.com ([66.224.33.161]:59267 "EHLO holomorphy") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S261250AbTIXCBI (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Sep 2003 22:01:08 -0400 Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 18:58:41 -0700 From: William Lee Irwin III To: "David S. Miller" Cc: Grant Grundler , bcrl@kvack.org, tony.luck@intel.com, davidm@hpl.hp.com, davidm@napali.hpl.hp.com, peter@chubb.wattle.id.au, ak@suse.de, peterc@gelato.unsw.edu.au, linux-ns83820@kvack.org, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: NS83820 2.6.0-test5 driver seems unstable on IA64 Message-ID: <20030924015841.GC21455@holomorphy.com> Mail-Followup-To: William Lee Irwin III , "David S. Miller" , Grant Grundler , bcrl@kvack.org, tony.luck@intel.com, davidm@hpl.hp.com, davidm@napali.hpl.hp.com, peter@chubb.wattle.id.au, ak@suse.de, peterc@gelato.unsw.edu.au, linux-ns83820@kvack.org, linux-ia64@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20030923142925.A16490@kvack.org> <20030923185104.GA8477@cup.hp.com> <20030923115122.41b7178f.davem@redhat.com> <20030923203819.GB8477@cup.hp.com> <20030923134529.7ea79952.davem@redhat.com> <20030923223540.GA10490@cup.hp.com> <20030923163542.55fd8ed9.davem@redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20030923163542.55fd8ed9.davem@redhat.com> Organization: The Domain of Holomorphy User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.4i Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1326 Lines: 27 On Tue, Sep 23, 2003 at 04:35:42PM -0700, David S. Miller wrote: > That's a amusing coincidence since at least some people think ia64 > will end up the same way the i860 did :-) > In the past I did always advocate things the way you are right now, > but these days I think I've been wrong the whole time and Intel on x86 > is doing the right thing. > They do everything in hardware and this makes the software so much > simpler. Sure, there's a lot of architectually inherited complexity > in the x86 family, but their engineering priorities mean there is so > much other stuff you simply never have to think about as a programmer. Several of the x86 "hardware assists" need some rather hefty hacks codewise to cope with their concomitant data structure proliferations under industrial workloads, and generally have me begging for RISC's system-level features instead (which, of course, require various undoings of Linux' x86 crossdressings to exploit). Given the reactions in prior threads, this message clearly needs to wait a long while before it will ever be heard. -- wli - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/