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[209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id t8-v6si5475283pgl.620.2018.08.03.12.37.17; Fri, 03 Aug 2018 12:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@linux-foundation.org header.s=google header.b="NzC/e3oq"; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1731014AbeHCVeH (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 3 Aug 2018 17:34:07 -0400 Received: from mail-it0-f42.google.com ([209.85.214.42]:35358 "EHLO mail-it0-f42.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728139AbeHCVeH (ORCPT ); Fri, 3 Aug 2018 17:34:07 -0400 Received: by mail-it0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 139-v6so3122401itf.0; Fri, 03 Aug 2018 12:36:27 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=linux-foundation.org; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=BYEY9r7UTzwTSXxFpUn7q8RMOrNrHfB/+LSj6jg6e6U=; b=NzC/e3oqTFZpS8/awDIwqyYJdx9uOhHO7UyEx5mMF4zOwUDTeB4qPVdk0+WmT/dW4o cRKPp3G4mx1JaaS3oRgnUpVkeZkH7SPOVfatUgYiFAAD2fJX8wsyGyzjpS9oeiJGy7BC HK2/nTbOVjWSzGTpdbR+yiAtBrjnpJB1wBrEk= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=BYEY9r7UTzwTSXxFpUn7q8RMOrNrHfB/+LSj6jg6e6U=; b=tEXa+7FlCg9IWrNRTmYTPr1oD8WQ9NHRipAJZ/5CJc0TOnN1WszLQ1hyMD+CtMit5Q CCpP82wF0K6F6CdPIPJky5MrNmIwMUNAi5eIZAtgEA0vGQgIPuEL/IeIVJ/dZrNX9G9b 16cQdPRWFfuGaS/Y1vZ+jFZWtmiBikmrjnrRU/blV2AXriOrJlpkU1VaeaSusE0E1627 CbxvXG5S4IhjsuGoGrgMyiSIiltu+D0H9L4nYkWrThAfk6F9qIuxGLwrXbnv/3Xiv/PW 9A4rXdm9kCjh8MUMCPv8Psm8jQHWIyYtHzEm1hPlvjTXn2TsBqrgBHkCnlp/RvN+SkUD ksJg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOUpUlGesrh81fGKq14iUQsTecUTmEjSV9KXItloFB55mCMhNdItniyU 7jxsrCh70R6OSuJIZTlyvWUhNxgHjivTBHgkwXk= X-Received: by 2002:a02:2b12:: with SMTP id h18-v6mr4725114jaa.10.1533324987015; Fri, 03 Aug 2018 12:36:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1ec0a220-d5b0-1c27-e63b-c4d3f4ce9d77@torlan.ru> <20180803185431.GB3258@redhat.com> <20180803193037.GA4581@redhat.com> In-Reply-To: <20180803193037.GA4581@redhat.com> From: Linus Torvalds Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 12:36:15 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: LVM snapshot broke between 4.14 and 4.16 To: Mike Snitzer Cc: Zdenek Kabelac , wgh@torlan.ru, Ilya Dryomov , Jens Axboe , linux-block , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Sagi Grimberg , dm-devel@redhat.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, Aug 3, 2018 at 12:30 PM Mike Snitzer wrote: > > I was trying to give context for the "best to update lvm2 anyway" > disclaimer that was used. Yeah, it was specious. So I'll apologize for the strong words, and I'll just say - not excuse, but explanation - that this is the *ONE* thing that continues to drive me absolutely bat-shit insane. It's the *ONE* thing I will refuse to even discuss. Pretty much any technical thing, I'll happily discuss, and I'll admit when I was completely wrong and a f*cking moron. Hey, it happens. But the "no regressions" thing is _so_ important to me, and _so_ frustrating when I get the feeling that people ignore it, that I just go ballistic. I'm sorry for going ballistic, but there it is. It keeps happening every once in a while. I thought we'd gotten mostly over it. Linus