Received: by 2002:ac0:a5a7:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id m36-v6csp2132043imm; Sat, 4 Aug 2018 20:24:10 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AAOMgpdfkc4PhqtDIcx0MdbnPBhaHSuEP53VPjBGFafrnejt/WxJNKIDJS0S8QpAZ6Q/lj5DHBU6 X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:8bc4:: with SMTP id r4-v6mr8950511plo.257.1533439450606; Sat, 04 Aug 2018 20:24:10 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1533439450; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=LtvrS3YkUxJ5ZayqQP0wFOWZkR60NzCO8KgGkjPJmwsTGMt/9KXT+GuRbfs56ecqV7 n3Q77iDc72UcboVzfJ6CCvjYcBiYp+FqgBuYyX7tJ9Nfd6kTmZD6vCgp/wDHm/HDh/F1 4ALW+w+57J93xnZTrG5qNStNaT2RWHmChLmS4x6gGjxcmE9+BLDklPCHLLm3pNrN2AgZ kTxYDt55Lr+/mO7PRVW4hbrqUAAiqeVbFQA2svmYtZ+BbYdkt1w1B0Z5NHxDQcfftOa/ FLPHk/wEOOR/vEH++h1nCnGjRlQfQDIurpg8If73shceUbmPEZjG3TzJR/beA7nYzt2H R2gg== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :references:in-reply-to:date:cc:to:from:subject:message-id :arc-authentication-results; bh=q1+Ny/Q+0kmFPjwieoLl7n1R8UktC7Cg1HNpl6FlpBU=; b=H5lrxti1u0+pMDroM3GGHi75vGXD4su26+rASIgvfDaWSnVD9ZxfvHXY5QWUoW/Kfq 3iYorQL0zez4P2CdqGUwk51gG5tvrdXAIX3a3nLU/CK9vXi51j4bD0HrP3ANmVMXYH8O 4GLnuIBGPkV2y9vbe8a9aKyDI48ber7dIl6HPexNn4UfAx0PP9v2P/9wDhaM+bDGHNGu d3SUlGdp6zEi4ALRRp88lYoc91av/LA5EFf82c4J6NDuLfndtixwp/qggeoII1T22gYI 2vLjHTemql+0fpdapZbLg3rjn3RylHBvKxKaBiewKUUj9r+hE8TT8aFFBGjV+/qMVgVf ic+g== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id o73-v6si9228647pfk.356.2018.08.04.20.23.21; Sat, 04 Aug 2018 20:24:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726233AbeHEFYx (ORCPT + 99 others); Sun, 5 Aug 2018 01:24:53 -0400 Received: from gate.crashing.org ([63.228.1.57]:57394 "EHLO gate.crashing.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726078AbeHEFYw (ORCPT ); Sun, 5 Aug 2018 01:24:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gate.crashing.org (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id w750rY1X003870; Sat, 4 Aug 2018 19:53:47 -0500 Message-ID: <7fdcb1cb2900755a6534199a675483f60beb47fc.camel@kernel.crashing.org> Subject: Re: [RFC 0/4] Virtio uses DMA API for all devices From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt To: Christoph Hellwig , "Michael S. Tsirkin" Cc: Will Deacon , Anshuman Khandual , virtualization@lists.linux-foundation.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linuxppc-dev@lists.ozlabs.org, aik@ozlabs.ru, robh@kernel.org, joe@perches.com, elfring@users.sourceforge.net, david@gibson.dropbear.id.au, jasowang@redhat.com, mpe@ellerman.id.au, linuxram@us.ibm.com, haren@linux.vnet.ibm.com, paulus@samba.org, srikar@linux.vnet.ibm.com, robin.murphy@arm.com, jean-philippe.brucker@arm.com, marc.zyngier@arm.com Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2018 10:53:33 +1000 In-Reply-To: <20180804081500.GA1455@infradead.org> References: <20180801083639.GF26378@infradead.org> <26c1d3d50d8e081eed44fe9940fbefed34598cbd.camel@kernel.crashing.org> <20180802182959-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <82ccef6ec3d95ee43f3990a4a2d0aea87eb45e89.camel@kernel.crashing.org> <20180802200646-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180802225738-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180803070507.GA1344@infradead.org> <20180803221634-mutt-send-email-mst@kernel.org> <20180804081500.GA1455@infradead.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.28.4 (3.28.4-1.fc28) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Sat, 2018-08-04 at 01:15 -0700, Christoph Hellwig wrote: > b) a way to document in a virtio-related spec how the bus handles > dma for Ben's totally fucked up hypervisor. Without that there > is not way we'll get interoperable implementations. Christoph, this isn't a totally fucked up hypervisor. It's not even about the hypervisor itself, I mean seriously, man, can you at least bother reading what I described is going on with the security architecture ? Anyway, Michael is onto what could possibly be an alternative approach, by having us tell qemu to flip to iommu mode at secure VM boot time. Let's see where that leads. Cheers, Ben.