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Date:   Wed, 8 Aug 2018 00:27:46 +0800
From:   joeyli <jlee@suse.com>
To:     Yu Chen <yu.c.chen@intel.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/4][RFC v2] Introduce the in-kernel hibernation
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On Tue, Aug 07, 2018 at 03:43:12PM +0800, Yu Chen wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 06, 2018 at 06:39:58PM +0800, joeyli wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 06, 2018 at 04:45:34PM +0800, Yu Chen wrote:
> > > Hi Pavel,
> > > On Sun, Aug 05, 2018 at 12:02:00PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
> > > > Hi!
> > > > 
> > > > > > User space doesn't need to involve. The EFI root key is generated by
> > > > > > EFI boot stub and be transfer to kernel. It's stored in EFI boot service
> > > > > > variable that it can only be accessed by trusted EFI binary when
> > > > > > secure boot is enabled.
> > > > > >
> > > > > Okay, this apply to the 'suspend' phase, right?
> > > > > I'm still a little confused about the 'resume' phase.
> > > > > Taking encryption as example(not signature),
> > > > > the purpose of doing hibernation encryption is to prevent other users
> > > > > from stealing ram content. Say, user A uses a  passphrase to generate the
> > > > 
> > > > No, I don't think that's purpose here.
> > > > 
> > > > Purpose here is to prevent user from reading/modifying kernel memory
> > > > content on machine he owns.
> > > >
> > > Say, A puts his laptop into hibernation and walks away,
> > > and B walks by, and opens A's laptop and wakes up the system and he
> > > can do what he wants. Although EFI key/TPM trusted key is enabled,
> > > currently there's no certification during resume, which sounds
> > > unsafe to me. Afterall, the original requirement is to probe
> > > user for password during resume, which sounds more natural.
> > 
> > OK, I saw your case. This is a physical accessing.
> > 
> > I have a question: The suspend to memory also has the same behavior
> > and more people are using suspend. Should we think a common solution
> > to cover S3 and S4? 
> >
> Since STD behaves more likely a boot up, STR does not have solid
> requirement for certification.

In your A/B user case, when STR, B user can still open A's laptop
and wakes up the system and do what he wants because he can get
the console like resume from STD. I didn't see difference.

> > > > Strange as it may sound, that is what "secure" boot requires (and what
> > > > Disney wants).
> > > > 
> > > Ok, I understand this requirement, and I'm also concerning how to
> > > distinguish different users from seeing data of each other.
> > > 
> > > Joey,
> > > I'm thinking of a possible direction which could take advantage
> > > of the password.  It leverages either EFI key or TPM
> > > trusted key to get it done. Does it make sense?
> > > 
> > > 1. The user space generates a symetric key key_user using
> > >    the password, and passes the key_user to the kernel as the master
> > >    key.
> > > 2. The kernel uses the EFI key or TPM trusted key to encrypt
> > >    the key_user thus gets a encrypt_key.
> > > 3. Uses the encrypt_key to do snapshot encryption
> > > 4. During resume, the same encrypt_key is generated following
> > >    the same steps(I assume the same EFI key or TPM key could be fetched
> > >    during resumed, right?) and do the snapshot decryption.
> > >
> > 
> > Yes, we can use TPM key to protect the user key. But I suggest that we
> > should give user a function to disable the user key because not everyone
> > want to key-in a password for hibernate/resume and also snapshot image
> > encryption.
> > 
> > Two policies:
> > - When user key-in user key, the snapshot image must be encryption.
> > - Without key-in user key, I still want the snapshot image can be encryption.
> > 
> > No matter that the user key be key-in or not, the snapshot image must be
> > encrypted by a kernel key. So I suggest that we treat the user key as a salt
> > for snapshot image encryption and authentication. If the user key
> > be disabled, then kernel just generates a random number as a salt.
> > 
> > Actually, the kernel must compares the user key before snapshot decryption.
> > If the user key doesn't match but user space still triggers furture resume
> > process. Then kernel direct drops the snapshot image. 
> >  
> Anyway I'm ok with using TPM for major 'security', please feel free
> to send a second version out, and for certification implementation
> we can have further discussion on that later.
> 

Regards
Joey Lee