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Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:26:56 +0200
From: Andreas Steinmetz <ast@domdv.de>
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To: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
CC: Joerg Schilling <schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>,
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Subject: Re: Kernel includefile bug not fixed after a year :-(
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Jens Axboe wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 30 2003, Andreas Steinmetz wrote:
> 
>>Jens Axboe wrote:
>>
>>>I think I do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In order to use kernel interfaces you _need_ to include kernel include
>>>>files.
>>>
>>>
>>>False. You need to include the glibc kernel headers.
>>>
>>
>>Then please tell me why PPPIOCNEWUNIT is only defined in linux/if_ppp.h 
>>and not net/if_ppp.h which is still true for glibc-2.3.2. And please 
>>don't tell me to ask the glibc folks. There are inconsistencies between 
>>kernel headers and userland headers which force the inclusion of kernel 
>>headers in userland applications.
> 
> 
> I will tell you to talk to the glibc folks, because that's where your
> problem is.
> 
I don't think so. If ioctls are introduced in the kernel the kernel 
people should propagate these to the glibc people. I don't think it is 
the task of userland developers.
But then this is my point of view and I don't think it necessary to 
discuss this further.

-- 
Andreas Steinmetz
D.O.M. Datenverarbeitung GmbH

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