Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:42:38 +0200
From: Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de>
To: "David S. Miller" <davem@redhat.com>
Cc: ast@domdv.de, schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Kernel includefile bug not fixed after a year :-(
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On Tue, Sep 30 2003, David S. Miller wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:28:32 +0200
> Jens Axboe <axboe@suse.de> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, Sep 30 2003, David S. Miller wrote:
> > > On Tue, 30 Sep 2003 14:12:06 +0200
> > > Andreas Steinmetz <ast@domdv.de> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Indeed, and equally someone tell me where all the IPSEC socket
> > > interface defines are in glibc?  It doesn't matter which tree
> > > you check it won't be there.
> > 
> > Did you notify them of the addition?
> 
> Nope, and I don't expect them to be checking all the time.
> 
> This is as much kernel people's problem as glibc people's.
> We, as kernel people, need a system that the glibc people can
> get this crap automatically.  The glibc folks can then just use
> it and everything just works.

Yep, the 'notify them' implies active effort from the kernel developers.

> > Well then change that to 'if you include kernel headers from your user
> > apps, be prepared to pick fix the breakage'.
> 
> There is a very small amount of effort necessary to fix this
> particular problem, it won't be the end of the world if we fix the
> kernel header in the actual kernel sources for them.

I'm sure Joerg is quite capable of fixing the problem and making a
patch. That is the least he can do if he wants the problem to be fixed,
whining is well known to be a lot less effective than that.

-- 
Jens Axboe

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