Received: by 2002:ac0:a5a6:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id m35-v6csp3841180imm; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 06:55:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdY5HKRV/Fz+rxk9A71fW9c8vmACBd5mMLMjIMucJdfB2ySy52uDQ2Bnbx6ldLPK6NkDxu+h X-Received: by 2002:a63:3207:: with SMTP id y7-v6mr6141300pgy.101.1536155724559; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 06:55:24 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1536155724; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=b3kwL2jqNQK4QEoQvaXn6UplQcIcdLQa4N/PFO4gpjbjrFKY5SWI+XIiXXiNKeGkCn WarVuCwW9vCUgS0bG3DXgsZ5V88uPjq+zW+2h9T2FHR5TRTB2oqf368iy1o/mlx5B5KT cK1+hqOR691UDXCQ06lV2wLojmKCeF7EtyxxTObuPWVmAbVDvqTs1WBkzm35cLiytWYT SW3us3exlrpHkf0dUWxi/g+vBmai1lpHiOVvHKiOe6ZfmGH+onj7Z4Jdlu2wS6JtPh36 LJjZaz8W5KUtYBjIw3cNl0Sy9mCNJr0BxDPrmw935E+hXcg95GM8p3HmuFHutJux79Lr f3Aw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:user-agent:in-reply-to :content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc :to:from:date; bh=/7ft4g9XGdvksjv+GmbGSSJY/a+5s7DDkX1HDcD0KUU=; b=CCVy/BI7je3+/ZFzSiBAQu3OLuj0MxmiDJOQ7pMRKUUShx5dq/RszkurhSicj5DeCl FYQ7JOJ8WgtaTiKoJNLxCJjdrA7PzNe90IjIGtLofg1n5QE3Qhhq0FURZJ8TgJBmW/3R glijBtbgqcRLR84XJ1AY/NvlDaT2JTzP+sN/Tqc8XvIuYy59vlfDvYMBBinspgkH+5bV H4jsCO+WAvX4VLP6tbTWEaiXLQ4+V5QoWWoismy6jBOs+bZGAaDBoul2lXJaBlIpQjXR 4tbY7xawUTwEHrtLsTckbavLWm+gDs1gh6hevoX7A4ZFWg4UTR++DtHB8I4juhB8VL/X 58tA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id u10-v6si2159693pga.37.2018.09.05.06.55.09; Wed, 05 Sep 2018 06:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727804AbeIESXz (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 5 Sep 2018 14:23:55 -0400 Received: from fieldses.org ([173.255.197.46]:58440 "EHLO fieldses.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726071AbeIESXz (ORCPT ); Wed, 5 Sep 2018 14:23:55 -0400 Received: by fieldses.org (Postfix, from userid 2815) id 33CBC1EF5; Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:53:36 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2018 09:53:36 -0400 From: "J. Bruce Fields" To: Jeff Layton Cc: =?utf-8?B?54Sm5pmT5Yas?= , R.E.Wolff@bitwizard.nl, linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: POSIX violation by writeback error Message-ID: <20180905135336.GB22395@fieldses.org> References: <82ffc434137c2ca47a8edefbe7007f5cbecd1cca.camel@redhat.com> <20180904161203.GD17478@fieldses.org> <20180904162348.GN17123@BitWizard.nl> <20180904185411.GA22166@fieldses.org> <09ba078797a1327713e5c2d3111641246451c06e.camel@redhat.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <09ba078797a1327713e5c2d3111641246451c06e.camel@redhat.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.21 (2010-09-15) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, Sep 05, 2018 at 06:55:15AM -0400, Jeff Layton wrote: > There is no requirement for a filesystem to flush data on close(). In > fact, most local filesystems do not. NFS does, but that's because it has > to in order to provide close-to-open cache consistency semantics. And these days even NFS can delay writeback till after close thanks to write delegations. --b.