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From:   Andreas Noever <andreas.noever@gmail.com>
Date:   Tue, 18 Sep 2018 00:34:16 +0200
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 5/5] MAINTAINERS: Add Lukas Wunner as co-maintainer of thunderbolt
To:     Mika Westerberg <mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com>
Cc:     Lukas Wunner <lukas@wunner.de>,
        Greg KH <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>,
        Michael Jamet <michael.jamet@intel.com>, YehezkelShB@gmail.com,
        Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>,
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On Thu, Sep 13, 2018 at 11:00 AM Mika Westerberg
<mika.westerberg@linux.intel.com> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Sep 10, 2018 at 12:33:33PM +0300, Mika Westerberg wrote:
> > Hi Lukas,
> >
> > I'm including Greg here in case I've done something wrong as a maintainer.
> > Since I've only maintained Thunderbolt quite short time, it may be that
> > I've done mistakes but certainly I did not deliberately try to make life of
> > people developing this for older Apple systems harder.
>
> Greg did not yell at me (yet) so I guess I'm doing OK :)
>
> > On Sun, Sep 09, 2018 at 11:42:01PM +0200, Lukas Wunner wrote:
> > > Andreas Noever has let it be known off-list already a while ago that he
> > > currently cannot spare as much time for Thunderbolt development as he'd
> > > like.  As a result the driver's development has become dominated by
> > > Intel.
> >
> > I was not aware of this. Althought Andreas has not commented much
> > lately, I thought he is still looking after our changes. I hope he still
> > is :)
> >
> > > I would like to step up as co-maintainer to provide additional checks
> > > and balances and prevent the driver from degenerating into an Intel-only
> > > show.  A number of things really irk me:
> >
> > I don't have anything against this but at the same time I'm afraid it
> > might lead to a situation where the Thunderbolt driver evolution gets
> > stopped into its tracks because of unnecessary fighting over each patch
> > and change which does not benefit Linux kernel in general.
>
> I think we have enough maintainers in this subsystem:
As mentioned by Lukas I'm currently quite preoccupied with other commitments
and have not done much more than skimming the incoming patches (especially
those touching the Intel part - as I trust you know what you are doing there :))
If there is concern over too many maintainers then please give my spot to Lukas.
Since I no longer use my MacBook regularly my ability to effectively
test stuff is
quite limited anyways.

Thanks,
Andreas


>   Andreas - Apple hardware
>   Michael and me - Intel
>   Yehezkel - Microsoft
>
> But I think we can make you a dedicated reviewer. This should make sure
> you get to review all the patches touching this subsystem.
>
> However, first I would like to get confirmation from Andreas that he
> approves this.
Signed-off-by: Andreas Noever <andreas.noever@gmail.com>

>
> I also would like that anyone submitting patches to this subsystem do
> not get bad feelings during the review but instead possible issues and
> improvement suggestions are written in such way that the submitter feels
> his work is valued (even if not always correct).
>
> This is especially important when a random Intel (well, or Apple)
> engineer submits a patch, say fixing a typo in a comment of some data
> structure. There is no point starting to demand that the specific
> register meaning needs to be disclosed. I've said this before but I or
> any other Intel engineer do not have any power over when the spec is
> released or any other related matter (like disclosing registers) and I
> really don't want that every single patch review starts with demanding
> people to disclose something extra. After all they are just trying to
> improve the driver which is good for Linux.
>
> If Andreas approves this, please send a patch adding you as a reviewer
> and I'll apply it. Just please write the changelog in good will without
> any personal frustration as those will be recorded forever in the kernel
> history and you never know in future who you are working for.
>
> From my point of view, I welcome you on board as good reviewer :)