Received: by 2002:ac0:a5a6:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id m35-v6csp817676imm; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:23:34 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdY11ZuFbqWa7m0Q4ikT5Xb3KgachtrVzgbfRT0DJ3IQH7guZ/p0BAJN/lI4H49e34+jI9wF X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:8d8d:: with SMTP id v13-v6mr35643915plo.9.1537367014198; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:23:34 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1537367014; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=YWncgDVkjWce4aIfMYNt9tqjKtc02N+EBRz2aF1rQfuEWmEE4S+VgmgFcoTX+qeG7m eMg3vuO9POvCCDGhqw3Db4OBIQkBNyWxIM+grjYEhVD3xeJrD653qsOpBAK1JZsdjC6R 5dsAZWz3XSb7HjBHd1nhgfgfoIMOrLwrDTfjCxlRoMaoR5F0YR0P3SmnonCcArxeCZLt svjwCUcZFqmNFapaQiuBSYdrvvzZBbV5xHbKAseSABJ8QHZHrX6V03JYEeiQgc/At2YE +YIbFWB/GNM3nAwxhCX9avpVzE2cv664IcEyjvjTUxwhLp0xF8GvDsLW09bemCFqAx1z 7FWA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :organization:references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from :date; bh=/DLUgWQghPsENDpurHWMeZhFH8aFsgOsjAp4qLUFIA4=; b=Oh3zyb/eH5khmtZMkR9SPEocSjk9fz70US9bERNEqI4r7VYl8qsR5nic9fvbUUrt6V haMW2Y0+yNGdcthFwc2IT9jFGX/d9EwDmVYJTVHIZ+k5hBU5qNhOtWgk66uvuwV1A+KL mI4H6uqICjLqIH9mZMXl5QFW7zTFyGBZwr8+LAqnNhn+4A8k63qRX/aX1Q9F53qyegKl fpKiwQFhE3/pznie70Lo9Ogq9K6bMn0WlGWd7pNir9LPkBfdOA42G0y71bApHsFMYjFM 9IoeoSprSdLj0G89/ZbHPXFufdFYKql+MwyJrtDbAYCcj/uqR7HJ9oDdyp2dYe/p6dOy tBKQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id m63-v6si21157445pld.62.2018.09.19.07.23.16; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:23:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1732256AbeIST4V (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:56:21 -0400 Received: from ms.lwn.net ([45.79.88.28]:58738 "EHLO ms.lwn.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1731815AbeIST4V (ORCPT ); Wed, 19 Sep 2018 15:56:21 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ms.lwn.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 53E512C9; Wed, 19 Sep 2018 14:18:14 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2018 08:18:12 -0600 From: Jonathan Corbet To: Edward Cree Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. Message-ID: <20180919081812.020f19e3@lwn.net> In-Reply-To: References: Organization: LWN.net X-Mailer: Claws Mail 3.16.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 19 Sep 2018 07:00:26 +0100 Edward Cree wrote: > By placing a corporate body (the LF) in >  the position of arbiter, an avenue is opened for commercial pressure to be >  applied; and the legalistic phrasing of the Code practically invites > rules- >  lawyering whereby the most abusive may twist it into a weapon to further >  their abuse. I'd like to address just this part, speaking only for myself. The LF is not in the position of arbitrating anything here. The body charged with that is the LF Technical Advisory Board, which is a different thing. It's currently this motley crowd: https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/technical-advisory-board/ I think most of us would agree that those folks lack the desire to go around harassing developers, and they lack the time to do so in any case. The TAB is chosen by a vote of developers at the kernel summit; that will happen in Vancouver in November. jon