Received: by 2002:ac0:a5a6:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id m35-v6csp646445imm; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 06:08:24 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ANB0VdbKQQWg5GR+RrZC2XzB6nWUpsdOk/DAFF/g+R0y6MvecWZHXU1d0A0d+oCWINRUoogOdWMm X-Received: by 2002:a65:4384:: with SMTP id m4-v6mr41376476pgp.265.1537535304384; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 06:08:24 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1537535304; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=RWLUb/4HQyvRMSI67Ha8x5DwrDEzLrb6SSmmEXexo7+cAeMOegH1uoOfJBs3v9hSqS 4Yc7pFuBAn3F0DedMww1RRz1sBtNXHSZrJw0XaaciS6VhybggNACEM/eI5EAAkP/hVga saesVNcL+rG8cc13JYcz0LaLGdXgkkqeYLim1mkyR2JqYSKgJDoqYj+h0Spvbcc0tSY8 59Mj/aDp6RjgdTSsy5a2LlB2WUW4QXJri8YJL4WZmRTFL8/OqZKkgvWKUKjyiVBluEA/ PCo/E9I1rH0g345MPNHWY23r+FmQsVKZU4fWbDNtrtiSS3LKQYznoTsjhfy6T4aHCNZw 6Y3A== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:mime-version:user-agent:message-id :in-reply-to:date:references:subject:cc:to:from; bh=ZNMDX0be6uiVA5tuMiV4z5XaPVrK+kn5x7/0NFqQ6fo=; b=DTh48gvTKBJykmOyEMO9+c2d4VwpdZ47LuHuRI5T935LeTZ2JZoKA2zO5N+qlOYk1V qiS7f6SrVfbbr2l3q5CkFDV3GkqgAcUqdBdUNu9si2Vk6Pqbsw7JFUXwUFNXTRrQs8wu i54BQh9Qt+nHmfAHf1FT+uqPC3JJOvjqnbd6/uCxVzP2b3SeqiaPoFMRtGLrrP+ffYs6 kQJvRUQlUjDFm3CVD++zuw6VzNW2WG+hiaSTMk9tGdisXw5I2I3ow2I8Og9g7ja19Mdc 2hyYVkG4mPNqAT4+0ndQoWiwhf5H48UdJmBDg5HOeFEZuZ5JSiQQHbx7Pcpl6x10mHaN UTEg== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=redhat.com Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id a24-v6si24349706pgw.187.2018.09.21.06.08.01; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 06:08:24 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=redhat.com Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S2390062AbeIUS4Q (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 21 Sep 2018 14:56:16 -0400 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:40830 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728098AbeIUS4Q (ORCPT ); Fri, 21 Sep 2018 14:56:16 -0400 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx04.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.14]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B87BE88E6D; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 13:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from redhat.com (ovpn-116-83.phx2.redhat.com [10.3.116.83]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 703068750A; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 13:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=vm-rhel7) by redhat.com with esmtps (TLSv1.2:ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1g3L9a-0003O6-CG; Fri, 21 Sep 2018 09:07:26 -0400 From: fche@redhat.com (Frank Ch. Eigler) To: Rik van Riel Cc: Edward Cree , Olof Johansson , Jonathan Corbet , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. References: <20180919081812.020f19e3@lwn.net> <72dadc76-44fe-ecb5-e142-0a9129082c93@cantab.net> <93b77a9a-12c3-6f7d-d2c3-0e0d7875a28b@cantab.net> <589966d9cd0ddccc88f33fcb7975bb4464be7696.camel@surriel.com> Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2018 09:07:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <589966d9cd0ddccc88f33fcb7975bb4464be7696.camel@surriel.com> (Rik van Riel's message of "Thu, 20 Sep 2018 21:48:01 -0400") Message-ID: <87zhwbj8xe.fsf@redhat.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.14 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.25]); Fri, 21 Sep 2018 13:07:28 +0000 (UTC) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Rik van Riel writes: > [...] The goal of the code of conduct is to make the community > welcoming, and to help people with being a part of the Linux > community. [...] That may well be the goal. But the proper way to evaluate policy is not the laudability of its goals but its forseeable and/or actual effects. Is there any plan to evaluate the CoC empirically somehow to see if it accomplishes what its proponents hope? - FChE