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Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it.
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People can decide who they want to respond to, but I'm going to gently
suggest that before people think about responding to a particular
e-mail, that they do a quick check using "git log --author=xyzzy@example.com"
then decide how much someone appears to be a member of the community
before deciding how and whether their thoughts are relevant.

There are a lot of strong feelings on this issue, and allowing people
who aren't members of the Linux kernel development community, to
escalate the rhetoric --- either in the pro- or anti- CoC direction,
and whether on mailing lists, github comment threads, Twitter, or
Reddit --- is not helpful.

For example....

> >* Showing empathy towards other community members
> 
> Your pussy hurts?  Maybe you should have just accepted that your a boy!
> 
> I think Linus is perfectly fine in conduct.   I mean, this bullshit
> pressure comes from corporations and other wierd places (<subtext>all
> seeing eye</subtext>) that want to "help".  

There are people commenting from all sides that are wanting to "help".
But I hope that it is obvious that the above text is *not* *helpful*.
Mark, please stop.

						- Ted