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[209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id p21-v6si2317128plo.182.2018.09.25.05.37.07; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 05:37:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728893AbeIYSoB (ORCPT + 99 others); Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:44:01 -0400 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.134]:41931 "EHLO mout.kundenserver.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728588AbeIYSoB (ORCPT ); Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:44:01 -0400 Received: from theta ([88.75.240.18]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue009 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N5G1V-1ffvwI1XQT-011Egm; Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:36:31 +0200 Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2018 14:36:45 +0200 From: Christoph Conrads To: Pavel Machek Cc: Edward Cree , Olof Johansson , Jonathan Corbet , Linux Kernel Mailing List Subject: Re: Code of Conduct: Let's revamp it. Message-Id: <20180925143645.af1457944142ecfec7199d80@christoph-conrads.name> In-Reply-To: <20180925112832.GA10951@amd> References: <20180919081812.020f19e3@lwn.net> <72dadc76-44fe-ecb5-e142-0a9129082c93@cantab.net> <93b77a9a-12c3-6f7d-d2c3-0e0d7875a28b@cantab.net> <20180925112832.GA10951@amd> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.7.0 (GTK+ 2.24.32; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:e+EdQ+Rjk77KlqOIKUUEtakkjGkSCwlbI67upYejP0tzsRvJMm6 fEI3fDDFiR9kmLOC1rdXRSMCGrj4xRlgc9myzCvKf2hZs9dGUtxExJj+6UzKOXebO/nrki9 nZm89NmDrS3FEa7QtJoVAJn4PTdMsARR/58eT2lIJdSNLyIkJcI+8YrQ/8qr7HzQGi2Wgas gMEmhUbjgCAKKa03mQ1EA== X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:DsouYEG30rA=:gegpkz6N4DPMzQ1no8Sjrw KTiXkfDqd3K2J1R/Ns/6q/4hUWXuvbpaWrUAArdHPn0BWBG7XqVWIJcuLZ7RryWzbj9vtdxg4 o8ssMweUSRA0mdbvCVh0GHLe2MO/+6I2NPBNKOywg1ITNvGIJRxhulgQz0WVtwIzryOg2EtCN FDlEml8lHgfkKxQsH96IjdUb6N1kqxpgo0my9VY9hJZ6DWy1qCqQ4VQp+Jo+JCNU/evugrUye hrUp/N/I89dj1SpNSAhIuUAol+f2sBEtNszcRe8piVXXF4uFK+kjlaiZ3cIWHmQBNobrJkkvD RGWbbpJ4RuBVDEhpZ/nHy8YgE3LuiwMk5x1oYqs6x8hj1PXE4CGbxNL0Zi6PMArDSWkuLobl8 eEO8oMu5/VuSIys3EjTfBuBRL62itgBWNpnZDQFpkAYkYk6m06wZJDhqIqxKDv/pt2zlvAMdm VcxEOoQvN5kFHgahjPPMYPc+YxjP7X5X/P6Vv0roNg8Rr11mgwfA/YpbXUR0fuZ8TOg+mC/Qp zoYzgDy0MPyufcuHx7taDrRuhzrzhzwQ5ahKNgHLQX8h817+xJzKnYVCb5khgT1Ia/zzP5iEF Lr/x+2hvrf6uZDMfFygIBXsdNb7ok4uClCyDuRpFeVghh5iJ2VhnSptiLOGIW7bQjV7CK0ZOO R0gzwVuuK0Bu9QSnFSdVrAd9zLnGaGrRRtakEU11Gsxd5o/btUe9oQOCsZ5fxYFnyiOCyYfIG dsyA9wK9YMgrl60v Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Dear Pavel, > > > Your above argument that the Code of Conduct is problematic because of > > > who wrote it seems to contradict your statement that we shall judge by > > > code (or text) alone. > > I think there are important differences between code to be run by CPUs > >  and a Code to be run by humans.  And when the author goes on a victory > >  lap on Twitter and declares the Code to be "a political document", is > >  it any surprise I'm worried? > > Would you have link on that? The CoC is a political document: https://web.archive.org/web/20180924234027/https://twitter.com/coralineada/status/1041465346656530432 Possible victory lap 1: https://web.archive.org/web/20180921104730/https://twitter.com/coralineada/status/1041441155874009093 Possible victory lap 2: https://web.archive.org/web/20180920211406/https://twitter.com/coralineada/status/1042249983590838272 Note the statement in the second victory lap is wrong, it is 40,000 developers and not 40,000 projects as you can see in this commit: https://github.com/ContributorCovenant/contributor_covenant/commit/c5ac3dfc0274b8e58e04f112aae38caaa1f2e338 > I'd really want to know who authored the > document, because it is making statements that are untrue. Here is the author's post-meritocracy manifesto: https://postmeritocracy.org/ Here is the author's patreon: https://www.patreon.com/coraline Sincerely Christoph Conrads PS: Get back to work! https://web.archive.org/web/20180925122931/https://twitter.com/CoralineAda/status/1043338366002114561