Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S264292AbTKTFia (ORCPT ); Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:38:30 -0500 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S264294AbTKTFia (ORCPT ); Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:38:30 -0500 Received: from mail-10.iinet.net.au ([203.59.3.42]:44255 "HELO mail.iinet.net.au") by vger.kernel.org with SMTP id S264292AbTKTFi2 (ORCPT ); Thu, 20 Nov 2003 00:38:28 -0500 Message-ID: <3FBC52F9.40001@cyberone.com.au> Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:36:57 +1100 From: Nick Piggin User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030827 Debian/1.4-3 X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: William Lee Irwin III CC: Neil Brown , Jeff Garzik , jt@hpl.hp.com, Linux kernel mailing list , Pontus Fuchs Subject: Re: Announce: ndiswrapper References: <20031120031137.GA8465@bougret.hpl.hp.com> <3FBC3483.4060706@pobox.com> <20031120040034.GF19856@holomorphy.com> <3FBC402E.6070109@cyberone.com.au> <16316.17526.900850.239502@notabene.cse.unsw.edu.au> <3FBC47C1.6040209@cyberone.com.au> <20031120052714.GH19856@holomorphy.com> In-Reply-To: <20031120052714.GH19856@holomorphy.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Content-Length: 1196 Lines: 31 William Lee Irwin III wrote: >On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 03:49:05PM +1100, Nick Piggin wrote: > >>I'm all for open specs, but in reality that doesn't always happen. >>(out of interest, are there any OS 3d drivers for any current cards?) >>I know what you mean, but I would find nvidia more at fault for not >>providing power management than no OS drivers. >> > >The rationales for closed specs are bogus, so I have zero sympathy. >It's generally a braindead encoding for commands to carry out well- >understood operations. There is nothing to hide, except, of course, >the ability to use the hardware. > Well OK, but whether the manufacturers are bad or good, there will be some that aren't going to release specs or open source drivers. I think it is *mostly* positive that the Linux kernel allows them to support Linux though binary drivers. Note, I'm talking about the kernel. We are all agreed that closed specs are a bad move by manufacturers. - To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/