Received: by 2002:ac0:a5a6:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id m35-v6csp267696imm; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:58:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV60aDkYBVX+YJ30V5F8yOQyDDgKEClCm+hiywxGl+NJReSKYD7nHwJ2WT3Edi382e1lBr6za X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:9a0c:: with SMTP id v12-v6mr14117118plp.159.1538107132938; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:58:52 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1538107132; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=NBi80lG7WO0XyLagkm7lPHl+I4o/b/aGTxZ1V4xCCMfdPDzE+AzYy8YqxxRLixchNn ZKAn3/OF2BfqE/eh/1fEbUI9fMlonbFHrf55AJxlZ4lLxZIqv/lemQkLH6YA7ivS29C7 WeCQRW2H/qKLX1fV3xIjhysb0BdjXQ2Kii7B3g7TRGt+xlALtnUUFcONVamE+h+fWayb 6W7JzXuVDZGMkshZrgKaEJz+OV6olptWMTXVc3rjXgzrbsVTcpQVoeIs1WVtTzCYLTDj +1CkYPqB1RmZ57XD0jJHqM103FrgDiKKxV2mQ/cGpepAZmkJ4Vnoz1OkjqkZA3hG0cOZ HuEQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:user-agent:organization:in-reply-to :content-disposition:mime-version:references:mail-followup-to :reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=2SYO2IssaRkeCEeRk9gySZYh4xOuW/7J9+f9s/KuYwA=; b=wZiUIzGqKXC0IrqrB29GW2W4u9o5Pt1g/cpomKcFweq216lV+aFBJwLacV9yZMze17 dDJDtEwfO3/k3ptR64RXWMVhR8VFK+A3YOPopvmnYq/YThyvWvslkZMLcyemCq03ugI+ U6+J6Xh7ZHLQI8qvz4U69ONM5rAVeAL93NQ45CsHkceisAh2Y9NlKeqRldXA41MRoH4/ f/SBfErnh/heG2gGDqGn7rX1xdVLpyuraGe5ohGNlMfTYWbIZKchP6Mrepz83LrtX4HG p5vaV7AXZEHGLzt1eJYQlgT5RYgs4pafHQeaAUNuGpfs+7cgku6YH1pEh0rRpTjcWpOP NgaQ== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 22-v6si3834175pfl.220.2018.09.27.20.58.35; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 20:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728490AbeI1KSx (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 28 Sep 2018 06:18:53 -0400 Received: from thyrsus.com ([71.162.243.5]:32844 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726060AbeI1KSx (ORCPT ); Fri, 28 Sep 2018 06:18:53 -0400 Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3D9583A42A1; Thu, 27 Sep 2018 23:56:48 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2018 23:56:48 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: freedomfromruin@aaathats3as.com Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Licenses and revocability, in a paragraph or less. Message-ID: <20180928035648.GA27803@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: esr@thyrsus.com, freedomfromruin@aaathats3as.com, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <6ed65e31150937cad0733374eb8a9ef4@aaathats3as.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <6ed65e31150937cad0733374eb8a9ef4@aaathats3as.com> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org freedomfromruin@aaathats3as.com : > As has been stated in easily accessible terms elsewhere: > "Most courts hold that simple, non-exclusive licenses with unspecified > durations that are silent on revocability are revocable at will. This means > that the licensor may terminate the license at any time, with or without > cause." + Furthermore, license revocation is not the only option. In Jacobsen vs. Katzer (535 F.3d 1373 (Fed. Cir. 2008) it was found that open-source developers have an actionable right not to have their software misappropriated even though the resulting damages are only reputational rather than monetary. Under that theory, developers can seek an injunction against a misappropriating party without globally revoking their license. The application of that case law to this situation is left as an easy exercise for the reader. Any competent paralegal could write the brief in an evening. Hell, I could almost do it myself. I do not personally want to see this happen. But that it is possible is a fact all parties must deal with. -- Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and donate: the civilization you save might be your own.