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[209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24-v6si9515205pgn.428.2018.09.30.05.09.35; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 05:10:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@lkcl.net header.s=201607131 header.b="no1bo5/6"; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728363AbeI3SmO (ORCPT + 99 others); Sun, 30 Sep 2018 14:42:14 -0400 Received: from lkcl.net ([217.147.94.29]:44453 "EHLO lkcl.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1728301AbeI3SmO (ORCPT ); Sun, 30 Sep 2018 14:42:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=lkcl.net; s=201607131; h=Content-Transfer-Encoding:MIME-Version:References:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:Subject:Cc:To:From; bh=Zn7bzAY+G7ERbwlDGvgLwj0EjHwTc7grRWKStwnB+eA=; b=no1bo5/6ex6ywrL0V17tyRd0hex/8QxEKnPz7LH9CB/zrd+U0tTGjkeh5K12m/mpa42MiG24oYiI92k5vglffKXIYjladLdxNzjr/TSCHeI3jHCeDfoB2xjIUsx9KyvhFtLhiYs7O99QnspC+najC2k4are36DhtX7N/VvIrHEU=; Received: from [10.8.0.223] (helo=localhost) by lkcl.net with esmtps (TLS1.2:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1g6aXP-0003EQ-LB; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 12:09:28 +0000 Received: from lkcl by localhost with local (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1g6aX7-0007w8-MZ; Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:09:09 +0100 From: lkcl@lkcl.net To: martin@lichtvoll.de Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, torvalds@linux-foundation.org Subject: Re: Re: Linux 4.19-rc4 released, an apology, and a maintainership note Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2018 13:09:09 +0100 Message-Id: <20180930120909.30469-1-lkcl@lkcl.net> X-Mailer: git-send-email 2.19.0 In-Reply-To: <2936237.GcMzexieOU@merkaba> References: <2936237.GcMzexieOU@merkaba> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 10.8.0.223 (failed) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org > That written: Quite some of the rude mails that contained swearwords I > read from you have been about code, not persons. I think this is an > important distinction. I do not have much of an issue with swearing at > code :), especially when it is in some humorous way. absolutely, and this is one thing that a lot of people are, sadly, trained pretty much from birth to be incapable of understanding: namely the difference between criticism of the PERSON and criticism of the ACTION. (1) "YOU are bad! GO STAND IN THE NAUGHTY CORNER!" (2) "That was a BAD thing to do!" (3) "That hurt my feelings that you did that" the first is the way that poorly-trained parents and kindergarten teachers talk to children. the second is... only marginally better, but it's a start the third is how UNICEF trains teachers to treat children as human beings. > Code quality indeed is important. > As are human interactions. absolutely. it's not about the code, it's always, *always* about people. we just happen to be writing code, but ultimately we are doing so in the service of other PEOPLE. l.