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Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0c55c162a077aadbfd57878e2694e35292c1a29c.1537392876.git.tim.c.chen@linux.intel.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.13 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.30]); Tue, 02 Oct 2018 15:41:34 +0000 (UTC) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 9/19/18 5:35 PM, Tim Chen wrote: > This patch provides an application property based spectre_v2 > protection with STIBP against attack from another app from > a sibling hyper-thread. For security sensitive non-dumpable > app, STIBP will be turned on before switching to it for Intel > processors vulnerable to spectre_v2. A general comment. I think in practice this will be similar to the speculative store buffer bypass (aka "variant 4") issue in terms of opt-in mitigation. Many users won't want to take the performance hit of having STIBP by default for peer threads. We should make sure that we don't force users into a mitigation but retain an option. Whether it's default-on or not can be debated, though I think the vendors lean toward having default-off with an opt-in, and customers will probably agree. So anyway, I encourage a pragmatic approach similar to that for SSBD. Jon. -- Computer Architect | Sent with my Fedora powered laptop