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From:   Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To:     ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org
Cc:     Josh Triplett <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
        Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>,
        James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@hansenpartnership.com>,
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Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors
Date:   Sun, 07 Oct 2018 20:18:26 +0300
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Hi Josh,

On Sunday, 7 October 2018 14:35:14 EEST Josh Triplett wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 07, 2018 at 10:51:02AM +0200, Geert Uytterhoeven wrote:
> > Providing an explicit list of discrimination factors may give the false
> > impression that discrimination based on other unlisted factors would be
> > allowed.
> > 
> > Avoid any ambiguity by removing the list, to ensure "a harassment-free
> > experience for everyone", period.
> 
> I would suggest reading the commit message that added this in the first
> place. "Explicit guidelines have demonstrated success in other projects
> and other areas of the kernel." See also various comparisons of codes of
> conduct, which make the same point. The point of this list is precisely
> to serve as one such explicit guideline; removing it would rather defeat
> the purpose.
> 
> In any case, this is not the appropriate place for such patches, any
> more than it's the place for patches to the GPL.

So what's an appropriate place to discuss the changes that we would like, 
*together*, to make to the current document and propose upstream ? As stated 
in another e-mail in a similar thread, I believe we need to come together and 
decide on what we want to do. We still have no official forum to do so, and 
repeatedly telling people that ksummit-discuss and LKML are not the right 
place won't make the concerns go away. Only by discussing problems will we 
come to solutions.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart