Received: by 2002:ac0:a582:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id m2-v6csp3957965imm; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 12:18:28 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV60d4tXxwnunFUZjTJ6GjMrPjHfcxJiepl+ijuTq/xWt/bWN5o8XM2ALb3V8gMbTSUlvXmfT X-Received: by 2002:a63:5a0d:: with SMTP id o13-v6mr22474165pgb.267.1539026308735; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 12:18:28 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1539026308; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=vSSIwYvsrrkq6teEn7MqbbwGTLklKkxb+4xYpiX71nTGCI2MUZDXu68IHKy6NMshnT Df7kvxlPTdpwMwgz+Z5qjrUSy9/iOWlvoE8TAqZ7NkSKUZDTZ5LaALH8fki+8vdbikAa bboeq1lhIQ5RCjVvp41NXfh1eJx/inZWNnGY9hrC2b+P38KIJOOxfP3At6JsnnTulRhG 2gVnk5yulT7Cb6q4fcQWG5DNvHgWI9VDzH/XGXgkaE4TEFZijXASEAe+zuxK+9FO4tiH LJzutrwTPSmHVAqtymmUUjPTtnEgHMcLCULDJEN/SJhXc+PyZXtFPuGVPiP9Q04S7A2E 2p6A== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:spamdiagnosticmetadata :spamdiagnosticoutput:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:message-id :date:subject:cc:to:from:dkim-signature:dkim-signature; bh=xpmMP+nmul4W15lUX9O75cMowKt1q9w2++/rtvgBCAQ=; b=ExcVp18mRpKzJYHUgGAkL6cJxtpMGVTfzLeNoR12FELKJsO2X6IBdkVOIvKih+kMt1 fvuW0qmMMYamm0aeCunrkOQYKmPL9LNq0oA+JPWzSrSDnJoQ3hUptPGuxdrjKg6noGzx rNIG5ItsSM1XQ0gvGz4khE1bQTnorLtiiURfOhGnSjs+zkABh0wCwg80N9y71NuxXl91 uwMkD0N4vhSXrx7WpZ342dpOJ0MQ6xCR/eEjY9DRyA688cfSPd2n5TsEVVQhEHQGtOvi cb9KBk6gJvwxKGUkWYarCMRSvrRBbqOHO8qjv7V3X7qIlt9Oe/SvD7o4yKAO//X3y5VP i04Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@fb.com header.s=facebook header.b=ezJBSyWn; dkim=fail header.i=@fb.onmicrosoft.com header.s=selector1-fb-com header.b=X6ZO7HWU; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=fb.com Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id u9-v6si16583076pgh.580.2018.10.08.12.18.13; Mon, 08 Oct 2018 12:18:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@fb.com header.s=facebook header.b=ezJBSyWn; dkim=fail header.i=@fb.onmicrosoft.com header.s=selector1-fb-com header.b=X6ZO7HWU; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=fb.com Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1728611AbeJIBta (ORCPT + 99 others); Mon, 8 Oct 2018 21:49:30 -0400 Received: from mx0b-00082601.pphosted.com ([67.231.153.30]:49142 "EHLO mx0a-00082601.pphosted.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727803AbeJIBt3 (ORCPT ); Mon, 8 Oct 2018 21:49:29 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (m0001255.ppops.net [127.0.0.1]) by mx0b-00082601.pphosted.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id w98IEBRW014372; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 11:15:38 -0700 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fb.com; h=from : to : cc : subject : date : message-id : in-reply-to : references : mime-version : content-type; s=facebook; bh=xpmMP+nmul4W15lUX9O75cMowKt1q9w2++/rtvgBCAQ=; b=ezJBSyWnbAiEE1E6CDvgbNrKgEAF39sCxDWQscj5iKl8WV4UAwBt2P+LTB2gmaySJyOQ 2yC+ikX9uTLDEFUkn/M7fEgQZ83ve3JnO7DkJodWZea00W8LyP3fkUG9KmXqrUnwH4gV ah7gAWstTjtDQdjpmGCQmZxcPnxk7lKO9jU= Received: from maileast.thefacebook.com ([199.201.65.23]) by mx0b-00082601.pphosted.com with ESMTP id 2n074415ev-1 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 08 Oct 2018 11:15:38 -0700 Received: from NAM05-CO1-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com (192.168.183.28) by o365-in.thefacebook.com (192.168.177.31) with Microsoft SMTP Server (TLS) id 14.3.361.1; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 14:15:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=fb.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector1-fb-com; h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck; bh=xpmMP+nmul4W15lUX9O75cMowKt1q9w2++/rtvgBCAQ=; b=X6ZO7HWU6InyR8q8leaWPO82cEa2RiN/CtyGKjXx0uBSLZdXZAAoc+RVhKB5qMp7jLKyeJe7t76WrC/kZCIQ/YaC4/R99YI2Rz6QI6w87VBCcVMxp1K70qDR5lakowoVA6g2MdVx1DNztGEay/A/wrwHNP+IWusSg9jJ1DIwWnQ= Received: from [192.168.1.213] (67.253.148.112) by MWHPR15MB1885.namprd15.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:301:54::23) with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2, cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.1207.21; Mon, 8 Oct 2018 18:15:34 +0000 From: Chris Mason To: James Bottomley CC: , linux-kernel Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/2] code-of-conduct: Strip the enforcement paragraph pending community discussion Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2018 14:15:25 -0400 X-Mailer: MailMate (1.10r5443) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <1538861851.4088.7.camel@HansenPartnership.com> References: <1538861738.4088.5.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <1538861851.4088.7.camel@HansenPartnership.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed X-Originating-IP: [67.253.148.112] X-ClientProxiedBy: CWLP265CA0155.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM (2603:10a6:401:52::23) To MWHPR15MB1885.namprd15.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:301:54::23) X-MS-PublicTrafficType: Email X-MS-Office365-Filtering-Correlation-Id: cfce6e7a-0027-4083-9036-08d62d4a0b1e X-Microsoft-Antispam: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(7020095)(4652040)(8989299)(4534185)(4627221)(201703031133081)(201702281549075)(8990200)(5600074)(711020)(2017052603328)(7153060)(7193020);SRVR:MWHPR15MB1885; X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: 1;MWHPR15MB1885;3:u39OxoelXjZ7PHJD/dxYydtRuuXsf3GL5vM4FAYdXMyWa8Y28dllRdBZFjMqlLKbmzyxRfN7mIQcpee762u2XLTDYw4gTxScRWy5+oP0viwN+grJ3LBY1aTb/IMLcUrmZ04aEKsovbNVgRqyXxnJTopi1weKR0GYM9RNJjUbfNsEQDLhvhbaSHFYaZik5Q+93Na6M5AIZJ0LTwmYmsxi4VkSikTAeXrpQbkMsrGqmO6CYpAtdok+HAqwvQZAl8je;25:/fpLZyB/trFbljfHaDGdznKga9riFOf0acC3+UtCrMUB5Pu/SZSXqNvHRCduSc/HqA+vaCQMJ+k7dSuHnstSu3schLuZ7VAf8us7d7GWWkpYaoPKfTcYpfcZCLi+RWMnd5BlKWji2U8iRG62KslTwoTQQZ/s8SklnBVuUWro3rxRCstJpuSPH0bYVSN8Y6iw/JsX+5OjPxnntUKVSVsc3jiOyJVyflab8t5PSz405EypCISDve1M6kfT5aFhI18/nFZBVTKsrXb+mni5Mc+kQl+Ya+LdJyc1FqvjHu7Oz/BDnE94UEw+z76CJpqe3Pxs+45aKkZ9Oe0BnPo2dTuzSw==;31:T5i/hITuv2d4sYjnAob+K74kMODKBdvqQ6XsLckNhBHwWWJJi+gOYUCOCLpKV5gfF7FTKKlSCy9G4l7XV2E3/JDISCe9F2WXR3F9FErgTBDLLDuly8VTJZEqAbEndoDSyFhuTJMF/5E48Oc3ZZDUAN52kyjk7T4XkjbYMtK/JHcxezEIrz5RK/spgAwe+ww8Oe7axJg1MPu4MpUZAeXZhzTnZrbDXf7Aklg/c8lUYec= X-MS-TrafficTypeDiagnostic: MWHPR15MB1885: X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: 1;MWHPR15MB1885;20: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;4:ylXnAUiJ5JjnZEkr9YztmyUqel2qhe0nVTOTi0hQK6grUBgjvGPigMKk3ObWzAQjjd9yEOjC12qzYY7yzUTmf9NHifdiwdzbxxgYSFUx4mWeHYYmbuKCbruXqTGVlK3N+VFS2yV+YtgeSL48QR8kmTDB1Im2sqUh0pGOOewtXvPpyVkfin+TjeCyE7LT3BOLz+9X63iKwSQwMRnis4KTPVwt42ZBI/13JcU2O/sLmoO/D0xQmWP1Np6NQseP3vyyGx7nR9EYElmv9O2U5J2l0g== X-Microsoft-Antispam-PRVS: X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-Test: UriScan:; X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck: 1 X-Exchange-Antispam-Report-CFA-Test: BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:(8211001083)(6040522)(2401047)(5005006)(8121501046)(93006095)(93001095)(10201501046)(3002001)(3231355)(11241501184)(944501410)(52105095)(149066)(150057)(6041310)(20161123558120)(20161123564045)(201703131423095)(201702281528075)(20161123555045)(201703061421075)(201703061406153)(20161123562045)(20161123560045)(201708071742011)(7699051)(76991055);SRVR:MWHPR15MB1885;BCL:0;PCL:0;RULEID:;SRVR:MWHPR15MB1885; X-Forefront-PRVS: 081904387B X-Forefront-Antispam-Report: SFV:NSPM;SFS:(10019020)(6049001)(39860400002)(396003)(376002)(346002)(366004)(136003)(189003)(199004)(68736007)(6246003)(53936002)(67846002)(53546011)(386003)(6116002)(36756003)(16586007)(8676002)(478600001)(33656002)(305945005)(16576012)(76176011)(81166006)(6916009)(81156014)(7736002)(97736004)(6666003)(50226002)(316002)(51416003)(3846002)(52116002)(8936002)(82746002)(956004)(2616005)(5660300001)(105586002)(186003)(16526019)(486006)(47776003)(446003)(476003)(229853002)(6486002)(11346002)(2906002)(86362001)(83716004)(117156002)(4326008)(66066001)(106356001)(77096007)(50466002)(26005)(25786009)(42262002);DIR:OUT;SFP:1102;SCL:1;SRVR:MWHPR15MB1885;H:[192.168.1.213];FPR:;SPF:None;LANG:en;PTR:InfoNoRecords;MX:1;A:1; Received-SPF: None (protection.outlook.com: fb.com does not designate permitted sender hosts) X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: =?us-ascii?Q?1;MWHPR15MB1885;23:OZDE4D9HpU+ny2TOpJ9nAhqOPUDJ3ICoNAijckKxo?= =?us-ascii?Q?CQIHFEXmXHRWhndc+pZ6ret/P+eWBoMlO2ItSnwNuRu1CLxZ/9/5lFIumjLe?= =?us-ascii?Q?CXtzDwL9QzE24rvVC4x7pZyTf948Rwd+cqJtbnTPhG8FXon4AbOez43c7cN/?= =?us-ascii?Q?m346EYOkruuXHv5m15B1ACRXMwvqtJwB0S1zHWGyPea0MYUgw1RcWMZ826fg?= =?us-ascii?Q?ZmKN2wmvJrEJE2le7JCga9O3uZh0+hn/+D2lHI6pMTh2IxJakBk0yy4/sJS5?= =?us-ascii?Q?Bms4uxiFLHxFUlqubIBYdFgp/g/OjAUZt9+LGRBdMpn9QAPcR6DsLcvmO8Ko?= =?us-ascii?Q?1bpJ8v+rRN1iEwf+85sCMfZwaIVHd7j/1/Aoeh00Q7gH9xymlEmJ8xViVUgQ?= =?us-ascii?Q?81D9VX1/Ts6T05qTPrfmplo2JBPU5AcYgXJJX55NgzNhW8PiwRbi15NkaP3X?= =?us-ascii?Q?LkPnpm1BBYcbE5xfpKpdRfk8Izx/7Vuu4dELiRH2YuwJL2l7Czs90HR/hp20?= =?us-ascii?Q?jxfVbtpH5NU0UM+ahO0KYX7jEkbPX1yDEBRKM6PPSv4mO/GsI4Bo5njzgP2G?= =?us-ascii?Q?KESRkWRPsPOpmkHOA8Z6F02mPS6Ap1ToJubmpAC2QtpHpLGH2ojfEWkb/NsM?= =?us-ascii?Q?BTqajJPoEOa6sdCROwPh002evJX8m3JTK2Rnw2t60URU4oK2NhWfPdd3Oxeh?= =?us-ascii?Q?3UAiEYaS3iyjfY8kJp/B+Uf4I/sjd8caxqsYZxvK415gbEYq0C/7CJBcNITs?= =?us-ascii?Q?pJNpjUUEV7Jg7DfYkXeGWf+2j3PZ+6CfgdxlrDjgCipjx9RAcj0CbvSB9/uy?= =?us-ascii?Q?vwtJXLysJmz2pAfyGhMb5DdpsMz7yqBVlRs/MJYK3oC3T50YiwZyJmg1Mcra?= =?us-ascii?Q?CxOTMmtiR+EWReYntOvK21otKr8PJKlk6Az+lvj1oaGYxNFPgTRmfOrhqdte?= =?us-ascii?Q?sgp18bQh4kNMOLGKd5zVj0zRwHuUlxXoAQaI2rAUr7FZP5D4E1qEJ9EEn5zS?= =?us-ascii?Q?8Pec9z5VQ8lat203sFwBMOzdqeT0R7QDZ2F8nPJTP2k64fLb+vvDcrU24uPc?= =?us-ascii?Q?0cxK9Ujo0fIwnr2Jtx7ydv9Sk0RlE8KEiv7Rf9vAei6PDtecq4lW22GoZe3v?= =?us-ascii?Q?okE2LFEg78XVnzBUamjYNoVdoF3qKfo75AP0aHfpV9cJCpvg870x72L7eewd?= =?us-ascii?Q?Qi5+LuJ5jCeCx/miZQVIVeA0X6ckkIdGYkfestIHC1EfhvHdMSkAAfrKo41z?= =?us-ascii?Q?R7B3gXIsGYT+q5G5Sw+zwyCWETNyiNJ2opwQiLDg77qdFZeWGzL+x998KNeV?= =?us-ascii?Q?mQ7NTVaxoG2zMG1qGCLxqOdoAfjgDOLGB7bJ9eDv76Rfw0jdzw+PHpvUz1J4?= =?us-ascii?Q?kUYew=3D=3D?= X-Microsoft-Antispam-Message-Info: q1S2uk5WxEOb7OVIorIluBMQnxH0F2Xjq62k9xQ9RnsgJuCUiMHSKwJk/ZrGlM2YJPS3Bcr5vNkBUYvDOSBAQFtmcdrxHkPdniKgcUl2VUU4yCN2loXVE7cSjvmpiaNLj/Vm1qxPzeIy9IDRkdCvIFkfwkUWQ3ge2GtDl1q8n4VbT6l3jOiFwIoyOAWEKuIzGyrUa+so9eTMQNGr+8vWx+T1I7Xc+AOnBvlkRUPUlqNUm+p6ER7DfsMdBneMO/24PXramyyxXb62z6tI9XtfbRe4L74AefTXXa3vNBDAVlHen9gtT9fIzNjf8goF8SxuUxFTxsHFMiUH2o//fsAv8/hL1IIJz3wi1V4uxG8onmI= X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: 1;MWHPR15MB1885;6:iGOnqMOwjnBWgDGT70+vER3iAzkqOBLLG8w8ygdFP3dL71p3DHDSylAdr9wxBw1UCrCbzzdo4gXVDLdvyBQEzGoHIcz/nrwP293zZFKcixC5MfsO+nd9EAUG1Cf1mVzjXaSSfVFhA6s60UovnCu2ySmcqZ8zPS2aZerRxTF9SRwSYTxjcCOPlnv01doUofnQxU75w0Q3MeFPgsfSvyx+Hd2HhatEe00KKGPiLPLdYsbCP9KNECM460US0W3ywou4T643ASYWGwTS2IRvdU2Wn5cS2yVKD66xIGlyS/IXtOblUt7croMy9EaG9JwZPSOzJvw2hq/uDyPrvXrwF69keguPe0QnK+xmYc6/VB/f8lnh2dnvzh0w6F1+qJep9/asFEqn5yedFvQV82iz4bmnX6K8IHcJ/pcanbstOzzqjuXF/+KedVAbVQrnAtXKDYXZ0w1AWy3e2+F25rWWhiCZeA==;5:SABxNAroL7yR9xuOhazJq7LVMppua6HFZhSifT2ZLdbV+oLsZJ6oFyRxxa7kW0C/E4IbpaLlKJ0A28ejOOUqUCnTXBk9dw11T9BcfgzsUrA5TVn0EsD7eqyTAMAiJkQzuXGEN0lrYSh8vJUfsyDaAjJ5vmjyJg40y+IEtxN+NgI=;7:E/m5QR/QDmu/1D9B+jrh0gsLyE/utgZ+tL3TyjvVCqD1qYerdF+bzGXwC+yvz2QsC89vwBLVcLTtItwehL0v3HpZHFSwPa1iRREAHZnumdhHrcdFDf73HFbDpUO5ahfKz9f6pWoa8kU4lDMFTr4X3sJx/FOSoOXTG1nWeS9UwjdqNO3nBHNZjahxTho7+YiZdBbYdq+fD2MP4RI8JAlev4/GQKD0zdkxJqiwWp82Zv9fNzvRwB7BUmLW6ggILvpq SpamDiagnosticOutput: 1:99 SpamDiagnosticMetadata: NSPM X-Microsoft-Exchange-Diagnostics: 1;MWHPR15MB1885;20:PvlR4KIHAi96NiUtteu8d6yjAKnPBqozriYERxtXrFEj9zYqqH1yvv6eMw48dbPBo3wDO+mfCO6+JUGR1oVKuW0OG/p5B70FbFtWqkcEfRgzU3K2vhTwsU3V1cOU7Y5Ab/C3SHxAIYdFLqp4YAzHu8ie9mhRTzznRSEwaEq7uJo= X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-OriginalArrivalTime: 08 Oct 2018 18:15:34.4806 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: cfce6e7a-0027-4083-9036-08d62d4a0b1e X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-FromEntityHeader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Id: 8ae927fe-1255-47a7-a2af-5f3a069daaa2 X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: MWHPR15MB1885 X-OriginatorOrg: fb.com X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10434:,, definitions=2018-10-08_08:,, signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Reason: safe X-FB-Internal: Safe Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 6 Oct 2018, at 17:37, James Bottomley wrote: > Significant concern has been expressed about the responsibilities > outlined in > the enforcement clause of the new code of conduct. Since there is > concern > that this becomes binding on the release of the 4.19 kernel, strip the > enforcement clauses to give the community time to consider and debate > how this > should be handled. Even in the places where I don't agree with the discussion about what our code of conduct should be, I love that we're having it. Removing the enforcement clause basically goes back to the way things were. We'd be recognizing that we know issues happen, and explicitly stating that when serious events do happen, the community as a whole isn't committing to helping. It's true there are a lot of questions about how the community resolves problems and holds each other accountable for maintaining any code of conduct. I think the enforcement section leaves us the room we need to continue discussions and still make it clear that we're making an effort to shift away from the harsh discussions in the past. -chris