Received: by 2002:ac0:a582:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id m2-v6csp1478718imm; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 15:34:38 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV621N1T51quvi5OmlLMJ1ZECeoBbOgVVUY6dpTbIda8ktcGQnyvL72k+5cPzdaCglEO7e/NR X-Received: by 2002:a63:4b25:: with SMTP id y37-v6mr31220502pga.14.1539210878273; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 15:34:38 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1539210878; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=nmq7MFEWGNFHb8IwTNqbyIOMho0y9lHrohvpaqRTWhnFwEkArDGZwF9pBtXP5FQ7QY wGKIAvgseUBIrO3KzVLVWN08qkjvtSBwk5DG3pl3ef1bQnpnLTww9aB+44WJghhxzxqg 1Ol7vHZA6ZXlA95Bhr95GvBWZonKoMczwjlBTLNbQKsaa47dtL73gQ7pQgLjmdtFnhna qwB+wXFvH+U79eLu1h46/LLyVwj9vWVvbxIdus8+aYrEXgJB918ogr+FQKGg9BtXlJYm 2hTe2QooqBJdzHb/Pb4FRGMV9oAahhkZ9fJhjEfdAnykFtgTqNJMkntDJPUwFZAkcQP3 dw1g== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:user-agent:organization:in-reply-to :content-disposition:mime-version:references:mail-followup-to :reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=mDQ0EQdkG0S0mpZ7qTrEXm6IIUe98SWZvWDo0YlfsKE=; b=J30uCfDidVKmwJCaZC4TR6KBum/16ozhWj9rzy9ySt0Uu4gbxEVFwGUqirUxmVkYhK cQn2dgVr+c2Pwbzt94DS3UoP+GuBba2wzjz6wtVOREfSI9wReq53e3BkMrvvxnVInv/6 pu0lF82wnHFXYkyFiaVPKh6rROxiAbG2WHM0vLqKj2D4jPsP0SHmQFr+2CITOHghe8LN DhkIpXv8GNDZMSiNpmZ4i6+XWbvFFcnU2NAvXcxOvdD4RTI6MJPo19dQBCmN2RWVqi0X UBZ9lyEANcHiu3A086/87rMMkFhysAmMTyY4a1r4Rjv7qNy07XTlD8aFW14KSW3gRENH qP1w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 1-v6si28014435plt.148.2018.10.10.15.34.23; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 15:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1726093AbeJKF54 (ORCPT + 99 others); Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:57:56 -0400 Received: from thyrsus.com ([71.162.243.5]:42680 "EHLO snark.thyrsus.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1725968AbeJKF54 (ORCPT ); Thu, 11 Oct 2018 01:57:56 -0400 Received: by snark.thyrsus.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 40E793A42A6; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 18:33:19 -0400 From: "Eric S. Raymond" To: Josh Triplett Cc: Frank Rowand , Geert Uytterhoeven , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, James Bottomley , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors Message-ID: <20181010223319.GA31256@thyrsus.com> Reply-To: esr@thyrsus.com Mail-Followup-To: esr@thyrsus.com, Josh Triplett , Frank Rowand , Geert Uytterhoeven , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, James Bottomley , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20181007085102.17795-1-geert@linux-m68k.org> <20181010221611.GA5711@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181010221611.GA5711@localhost> Organization: Eric Conspiracy Secret Labs X-Eric-Conspiracy: There is no conspiracy User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.4 (2018-02-28) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Josh Triplett : > > The words removed by this patch are a political statement. > > Choosing not to say those words is a political statement. The situation is not symmetrical. Choosing the protected classes in the CoC is a *change* in its implied politics. It's a change that is, obviously from LKML traffic, very contentious. If this were a tpurely technical matter, it would be described as not backwards-compatible. It's a change that, I submit, should not have been made without a clear consensus *in favor* of the change. Our culture has a process for this. It's called RFCs. If we want to designate protected classes to be called out in conductt guidelines, an RFC should be floated first and the change should be made only if rough consensus has been achieved. -- Eric S. Raymond My work is funded by the Internet Civil Engineering Institute: https://icei.org Please visit their site and donate: the civilization you save might be your own.