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[24.6.192.50]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d7-v6sm63474617pfm.23.2018.10.10.16.36.00 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:36:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] [PATCH] code-of-conduct: Remove explicit list of discrimination factors To: esr@thyrsus.com, Josh Triplett , Geert Uytterhoeven , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, James Bottomley , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org References: <20181007085102.17795-1-geert@linux-m68k.org> <20181010221611.GA5711@localhost> <20181010223319.GA31256@thyrsus.com> From: Frank Rowand Message-ID: <22aae042-5ef3-20df-6960-fc8ae3cd5506@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:35:58 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181010223319.GA31256@thyrsus.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 10/10/18 15:33, Eric S. Raymond wrote: > Josh Triplett : >>> The words removed by this patch are a political statement. >> >> Choosing not to say those words is a political statement. > > The situation is not symmetrical. Choosing the protected classes > in the CoC is a *change* in its implied politics. > > It's a change that is, obviously from LKML traffic, very contentious. > If this were a tpurely technical matter, it would be described as > not backwards-compatible. > > It's a change that, I submit, should not have been made without a clear > consensus *in favor* of the change. > > Our culture has a process for this. It's called RFCs. If we want to > designate protected classes to be called out in conductt guidelines, > an RFC should be floated first and the change should be made only > if rough consensus has been achieved. > Thank you for stating that clearly and concisely Eric. I will bow out of further discussion on this specific point as I have already seen this concept discussed on many threads already in recent weeks. -Frank