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From:   Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 4/7] mfd: ds90ux9xx: add TI DS90Ux9xx de-/serializer MFD driver
Date:   Tue, 16 Oct 2018 16:12:02 +0300
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Hi Vladimir,

On Saturday, 13 October 2018 18:10:25 EEST Vladimir Zapolskiy wrote:
> On 10/12/2018 04:01 PM, Laurent Pinchart wrote:
> > On Friday, 12 October 2018 14:47:52 EEST Kieran Bingham wrote:
> >> On 12/10/18 11:58, Vladimir Zapolskiy wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> >> Essentially they are multi purpose buses - which do not yet have a home.
> >> We have used media as a home because of our use case.
> >> 
> >> The use case whether they transfer frames from a camera or to a display
> >> are of course closely related, but ultimately covered by two separate
> >> subsystems at the pixel level (DRM vs V4L, or other for other data)
> >> 
> >> Perhaps as they are buses - on a level with USB or I2C (except they can
> >> of course carry I2C or Serial as well as 'bi-directional video' etc ),
> >> they are looking for their own subsystem.
> >> 
> >> Except I don't think we don't want to add a new subsystem for just one
> >> (or two) devices...
> > 
> > I'm not sure a new subsystem is needed. As you've noted there's an overlap
> > between drivers/media/ and drivers/gpu/drm/ in terms of supported
> > hardware. We even have a devices supported by two drivers, one in drivers/
> > media/ and one in drivers/gpu/drm/ (I'm thinking about the adv7511 in
> > particular). This is a well known issue, and so far nothing has been done
> > in mainline to try and solve it.
> 
> I agree that there's an overlap between drivers/media/ and drivers/gpu/drm/,
> formally a hypothetical (sic!) DS90Ux9xx video bridge cell driver should be
> added into both subsystems also, and the actual driver of two should be
> selected in runtime. I call such a driver 'hypothetical', because in fact I
> don't have it, and I'm not so sure that its existence is justified, but
> that's only because DS90Ux9xx video bridge functionality is _transparent_,
> it does not have any controls literally, but it is a pure luck eventually.

I don't think that's entirely correct, there's at least the video bus width 
(18-bit/24-bit) that needs to be selected. You currently do so through a 
pinctrl property, but that's not right.

> So, as I've stated in my cover letter, I can misuse yours 'lvds-encoder'
> driver only for the purpose of establishing a mediated link between
> an LVDS controller and a panel over a serializer-deserializer pair.
> 
> > Trying to find another home in drivers/mfd/ to escape from the problem
> > isn't a good solution in my opinion. The best option from a Linux point
> > of view would be to unify V4L2 and DRM/KMS when it comes to bridge
> > support, but that's a long way down the road (I won't complain if you
> > want to give it a go though> 
> > :-)).
> 
> I return you a wider smile :)
> 
> > As your use cases are display, focused, I would propose to start with
> > drivers/gpu/drm/bridge/, and leave the problem of camera support for first
> > person who will have such a use case.
> 
> Frankly speaking I would like to start from copy-pasting your 'lvds-encoder'
> driver into an 'absolutely-transparent-video-bridge' driver with no LVDS or
> 'encoder' specifics, adding just a new compatible may suffice, if the
> driver is renamed/redefined.
> 
> PS, I remember I owe you a reference OF snippet of data path to a panel.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart