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[209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id f3-v6si19720505pgu.494.2018.10.18.00.44.00; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 00:44:15 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=temperror (no key for signature) header.i=@szeredi.hu header.s=google header.b=gjk+w3oL; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727719AbeJRPmC (ORCPT + 99 others); Thu, 18 Oct 2018 11:42:02 -0400 Received: from mail-it1-f196.google.com ([209.85.166.196]:54883 "EHLO mail-it1-f196.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727360AbeJRPmB (ORCPT ); Thu, 18 Oct 2018 11:42:01 -0400 Received: by mail-it1-f196.google.com with SMTP id l191-v6so5480011ita.4 for ; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 00:42:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=szeredi.hu; s=google; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=22M500sfgMIP1n4i/C/OLVOxgSVvN2ro60oCQqNUGFk=; b=gjk+w3oLY/4lEqBtgIdfQDGAaWsyt/AIALChKxzx+JS74iIYbBXFA3jQ0ZzSfV4eEC 1FW8AqwzfdLfNNl3p0728kd5WUQAvroX9FdYvYPVG96erNOiXDUaO8ATd6Se+bY9pwXz ljbetlAE6FbLNsqaF9Ew6/WJS9aPSDaC5Ztwg= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=22M500sfgMIP1n4i/C/OLVOxgSVvN2ro60oCQqNUGFk=; b=gAI+q3J2Eo1OV4wCEz18Jkr+4i+zap7f6l+/wNaXYxMa8K+t64eIHbb+5IGiSfBQmQ dMshUygywjoIRL5NIAOvHEOISMi3YSt0OpbC5DClIEShUVMVT2FTaWDyQUkZeF0qI5jN FEckxPPmNT0f4exjcueQNW/E3JHNnUsldnl29kVIef2tyVb0s3A8fNxNsBZzGkoxVCCY O6pTpEB2PJV2CS2wUNHdIXyVgZwJk014CFu271XU6k7dsmnt6xcPafo1AeS/dvs7A3Yi JI4hw1+JXCTvDh5hml8XpHPaPLUD3ECOeIlQ/8vLbEFVQYcZsGMknt8MC/BAOmbIxGXl je1g== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfojBs0QOs+ldkacRSKdbhpkaINX3LjpAen/a4VLrL19nVsXSEbjO ZTszQ6wNzSJuaYd9372JYn0rTO1K1jbAW/k7J+I36w== X-Received: by 2002:a24:75d6:: with SMTP id y205-v6mr4143781itc.1.1539848537620; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 00:42:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 2002:a6b:bf41:0:0:0:0:0 with HTTP; Thu, 18 Oct 2018 00:42:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [212.96.48.140] In-Reply-To: <87sh13ya8m.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> References: <006890C4-64D4-4DE2-A1F0-335FFFD585BB@dilger.ca> <878t2wb4dr.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> <87sh13ya8m.fsf@mid.deneb.enyo.de> From: Miklos Szeredi Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2018 09:42:17 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: statx(2) API and documentation To: Florian Weimer Cc: Andreas Dilger , Michael Kerrisk , David Howells , Linux FS-devel Mailing List , Linux Kernel Mailing List , Linux API Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 9:39 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: > * Miklos Szeredi: > >> On Thu, Oct 18, 2018 at 12:22 AM, Florian Weimer wrote: >>> * Andreas Dilger: >>> >>>>> So what's the point exactly? >>>> >>>> Ah, I see your point... STATX_ALL seems to be mostly useful for the kernel >>>> to mask off flags that it doesn't currently understand. It doesn't make >>>> much sense for applications to specify STATX_ALL, since they don't have any >>>> way to know what each flag means unless they are hard-coded to check each of >>>> the STATX_* flags individually. They should build up a mask of STATX_* flags >>>> based on what they care about (e.g. "find" should only request attributes >>>> based on the command-line options given). >>> >>> Could you remove it from the UAPI header? I didn't want to put it >>> into the glibc header, but was overruled. >> >> To summarize Linus' rule of backward incompatibility: you can do it as >> long as nobody notices. So yeah, we could try removing STATX_ALL from >> the uapi header, but we'd have to put it back in, once somebody >> complains. > > I don't recall a rule about backwards-incompatible API changes. This > wouldn't impact ABI at all. Right, API rules maybe are softer. I'll do some patches... Thanks, Miklos