Received: by 2002:ac0:a582:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id m2-v6csp3484060imm; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:20:18 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV63cl88SNBU6/03mVs3PUEHbKGnOmxovFqOP6afgFhz5ynSR1Ef7Es7q9MLU5H3XrEwvDCn2 X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:70c4:: with SMTP id l4-v6mr34622173plt.194.1539973218748; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:20:18 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1539973218; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=pwhTKTckYSuY3a0ZV3TbVpjW+NxzOMvVbM9uaVGmnXs0lgwAldd8SaftJaOjYCswBX 7S/E2qN4XrxQDqFN6iCY1tjEPzkwa5CzWve0LWNiDOV0X0YHRJDRC7iV9MjyjpdluPCh KVNcp7rx1uYMRRpKtF+RO5qtxessdWMfjI+xevr5WOo2HKWmA855PpprqWoylBZhbGvz A/SAbyD08gEoUJ2+6hmGKkOcNMy+0L89JPBmZbQvKrKPvA6ihuyLAHGyTT1Av6QL5qKT Y59OoWW3nGRfZIOj4RHcbvSpn2IXb0NHOAjyO2i2AUArPTAxgvFkaziinEESYs8R4tb5 ZodA== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:dkim-signature; bh=d0WAkd6xg3j0214TTqW5SrAvT3/2/XAqL8jPwMO5H+o=; b=DwAYPFQ0ZQ3l2ZScl2ejIGAIEb184YPHBSF1iWas1TyMmk/xG84QtTlZcHBAudewtG vuHp3EmPrRdjDGenUKbduvyXEQZCGAeoTYbEH0+2X2wZacFBLuPxviAIfg3ZlGNEJu5g NAotTG6qyg70Ixtozan4KrXbPKZ4L3gDJ4VW+F2pX5Z0wBx7YFukPmA1c+kB2bo2z2iY NkLANopYIjyOkqppgW0klEkpFqA34TqPNOkgMhxkxH8leGiDri42dzP1iYIMFm563FUH qJGVJCrRFwqlj1lhU+dbEcOqKZeLsqFoTq98qEGUoQOAS3l4fNOtKqQYYniRRbxH4r/H +01w== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@google.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ZQFFVcJt; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=google.com Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id q10-v6si27225724pli.202.2018.10.19.11.20.02; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:20:18 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=pass header.i=@google.com header.s=20161025 header.b=ZQFFVcJt; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=NONE) header.from=google.com Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727650AbeJTC0s (ORCPT + 99 others); Fri, 19 Oct 2018 22:26:48 -0400 Received: from mail-it1-f193.google.com ([209.85.166.193]:53463 "EHLO mail-it1-f193.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727193AbeJTC0s (ORCPT ); Fri, 19 Oct 2018 22:26:48 -0400 Received: by mail-it1-f193.google.com with SMTP id q70-v6so5334259itb.3 for ; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:19:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=d0WAkd6xg3j0214TTqW5SrAvT3/2/XAqL8jPwMO5H+o=; b=ZQFFVcJtPXfVADUI6yg+tRcZfn/Yx4tt0giXASiHOl6N4z/wA9Uh9dYVKK0ISxUtNT 4fD58ww/PG7zaaRk8yc2M0269LLYaKULk7BV+N+PhfO7KyNGz3BBwslhgwPQHh9QzubT +UlZpc4FZ40HrfUwM5fhlip1Q7wVrbtRB8vO4V1UaY1tfFesWWeGK9DMKiSPw/adGtkV Q0m/HgsexWdmSWES8GWEZl/OzY//VeIw28NzKGo3C2OcjynyDnL1LeZNEUSLTZI5orm2 5w94YYNNwJSxy3hfbjfcJuBGRSj1yvUiJYLqKAb/aYgpT1CFfmblrvdc7dNUYF2w61LF cPhw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=d0WAkd6xg3j0214TTqW5SrAvT3/2/XAqL8jPwMO5H+o=; b=QafJlGpgQs1784EHAtzn46/ADzUbw3IlobDh+f07Wp1HRQvgF6sM4mEUxwLnHs1NEX 2QYZ4jyy95vNb62miJyWZszRlEd5OPS21V5dkGhiLZk7AeDcNOY1GaihNcSS+YV4gn69 NrNFFqxcC3SS5XMg8TotahqvuVaRWt7uUpFYCokNGTFyybGhBGzbAriaY4MVUjmwC6d/ yVnjMnWDi0y/CAJNIc3tbsDanP9ekYqtb5jXs3uHe+xC5WxRW7bibmQEHbPoJs7mmkpq GZWzIGqZA1HS/0N9z0SjqGPpcm5mjd+y5yRYrzHhneZ6KMbhhUZKIV9Iasq84+wZLsH5 51Ww== X-Gm-Message-State: ABuFfohFPm6+qouIxlcWSeSAtg/qOHXr6/KtzGoR6gLnyajo377yuuzr 17Y4d2+I+weN90r2T3OeuoixYLyoXKn3jQ/5fAuV6A== X-Received: by 2002:a02:6a16:: with SMTP id l22-v6mr27841010jac.9.1539973175786; Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:19:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20181015175424.97147-1-ebiggers@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: From: Paul Crowley Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2018 11:19:24 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v2 00/12] crypto: Adiantum support To: Jason@zx2c4.com Cc: ebiggers@kernel.org, linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org, linux-fscrypt@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Herbert Xu , Greg Kaiser , Michael Halcrow , samuel.c.p.neves@gmail.com, tomer.ashur@esat.kuleuven.be Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 at 08:58, Jason A. Donenfeld wrote: > Before merging this into the kernel, do you want to wait until you've > received some public review from academia? I would prefer not to wait. Unlike a new primitive whose strength can only be known through attempts at cryptanalysis, Adiantum is a construction based on well-understood and trusted primitives; it is secure if the proof accompanying it is correct. Given that (outside competitions or standardization efforts) no-one ever issues public statements that they think algorithms or proofs are good, what I'm expecting from academia is silence :) The most we could hope for would be getting the paper accepted at a conference, and we're pursuing that but there's a good chance that won't happen simply because it's not very novel. It basically takes existing ideas and applies them using a stream cipher instead of a block cipher, and a faster hashing mode; it's also a small update from HPolyC. I've had some private feedback that the proof seems correct, and that's all I'm expecting to get.