Received: by 2002:ac0:aa62:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id w31-v6csp2996465ima; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:23:04 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ACcGV60Wk+vHbtDjNqWUq557sk7ze2qnfH0k/RAOLl1uhzBtkQy51D8REXqU/sMxub6PB2Rl6UPG X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:e185:: with SMTP id cd5-v6mr45633804plb.224.1540268584593; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:23:04 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1540268584; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=AeuP2iOjOvoHCBKmKcBHaZVUmfWOIWcV9EWGdtIslvQhOMa/zakQh/k9nevtC3aUVH qNAB21f8XK6OjWFSdRNPGisWN0KRzMQS6SHrJVEW4iRXswB7oQXdQMTgYe/15tDcoUgi ANknGfmpOvIxH4X3txGrPL+yis7d7NKmGv35aCZym5926qIIbC++7yMxugK1xf19YyUo P2b1AKEZy0SwqNrZpLqKQOG1qAUzfmRMcYSWZyqtt6I+cCMurNUvVhQozLN+UQeD5yX9 edjHE2uMRphGTJCNxI4i3LX9gT7lCAK0scrF0MyJPBxeBjI7UU9Z5s8MP/B555JEJ/pi wWvQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:user-agent:in-reply-to :content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc :to:from:date; bh=Oe3mMrBcWaLp1Z14zEnzGDmk74O+usTI1VNqpOqK54A=; b=FWwOj20KVugYJWli+pARwpxqh+/EpGERhu8hwxFQXHo//cMKrGERJkEqqLtVIOuux4 hPst3YKmluWZxiTuyv2f4rkH4eTGe39wMMBAwZ5FF7f1pmusOELyIsXTkQCkRf9UUTTp rIQ+h+VLkvJWUP5M0MXdwjW9N5Yvwa/5hk0ty7KUFSX5YnzYUANnYy9NPJgpH8ia3A7k n4XK1EJAQz86DtDUwUar0Aq0sF0XHBhMDCAWWFiXSkwtI7yfLZXF7E6vc3Oo5jTj0xMa oZG20B3W19QgCwwVOhEbRwEQYjSh4v6/fRERESVK+g4AaucS7H6S1xRxkp4Ha8xsU59w RXEA== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id s14-v6si40249pga.236.2018.10.22.21.22.49; Mon, 22 Oct 2018 21:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727350AbeJWMfx (ORCPT + 99 others); Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:35:53 -0400 Received: from zeniv.linux.org.uk ([195.92.253.2]:34640 "EHLO ZenIV.linux.org.uk" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726837AbeJWMfx (ORCPT ); Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:35:53 -0400 Received: from viro by ZenIV.linux.org.uk with local (Exim 4.90_1 #2 (Red Hat Linux)) id 1gEo5C-0003Hi-S6; Tue, 23 Oct 2018 04:14:18 +0000 Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2018 05:14:18 +0100 From: Al Viro To: Vito Caputo Cc: linux-kernel , reiserfs-devel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Reiser4 Linux 4.17.19-1 hangs in Google cloud VM, too. Message-ID: <20181023041418.GU32577@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> References: <20181022101912.3CE2E292B005@huitzilopochtli.metztli-it.com> <20181023033852.GR32577@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20181023034719.tqkvdj2eakh2uh2q@shells.gnugeneration.com> <20181023035425.GS32577@ZenIV.linux.org.uk> <20181023040418.iz7gcph3qha4bkab@shells.gnugeneration.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20181023040418.iz7gcph3qha4bkab@shells.gnugeneration.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.9.1 (2017-09-22) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 09:04:18PM -0700, Vito Caputo wrote: > > reiser4 has never been in-tree to start with. And name is completely irrelevant - > > all I'm refering to is that I have not seen any postings on l-k/fsdevel/etc. > > from anybody working on that particular out-of-tree codebase. > > > > Put it that way - I would expect the bitrot from (apparent) decade-long > > inactivity to be a much more serious problem than anything naming-related. > > Would you say bitrot is more or less likely if a project doesn't attract > fresh meat? I would say that by now it seems to be a purely academical question - after a while the bitrot itself is more than enough. If it's maintained by somebody, take that question to those somebodies, whoever they are. I hadn't seen any indications that it is, and that's literally all I'm trying to comment upon - *IF* it's been unmaintained, it's almost certainly far past the point of no return due to bitrot.