Received: by 2002:ac0:aa62:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id w31-v6csp525303ima; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 05:17:16 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5cjzlXB2DzUpeoU175igP7pSGVD8fziKreYJgZMtSj+uK37Jn7sdRzB5UsZbECXV//Tu+Se X-Received: by 2002:a63:e141:: with SMTP id h1-v6mr2332075pgk.47.1540383436658; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 05:17:16 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1540383436; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=v266YLYLXMplqx0Xsj7Q+lNResz23P5lxNTRz4SF+OGv4TOrwSUZKxMOCt1u44vAuu HudlH8MLGT3K30sn2IzVS5i4s+BCRzPxnsv7DT/AJx7Sl/7vRSihFN9jYRmb6mwAmkg/ +wkXYLcuPDOGLjnpR0PmKcitVykeNSonpRAjSY6BPkb+zo5nPllvkSs8feA0gTu0cmOU pEWlc2f+5RF/6tfT+lzfjYK8Q9cucvjH8W98C0CcFTA3t0tbbONbhR24mR+pyBqNtFHx 1fITkVuJB1wPz0eeKldpR0JrLrSVzySyBf6xVvbw0iddc3fvLNGVhzhCeWs1FL1Cwv3J v3yQ== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:user-agent:in-reply-to :content-disposition:mime-version:references:message-id:subject:cc :to:from:date; bh=B/nShgo/8xaHX2ed5dPI4KNU45OPTeBuIS2l16vKzJ8=; b=jDHwS3+arop3mwMImkDGESMvUjFJKixMjV4jTvJ6Vfmh6IFENYJkvKTTPGn4WaRe4w U3AAFFiQ5Fv5gh+sIZ7qwlc4tpWhCWE8UKgsTEfL9fbDYqP8FYKWkn8gndC9n6c0nl/z QZgauZKzPutBMfAN+3TurOiHmlGID8C9pvDPPhgfzODvlAJTWyumIh2/vsHV+sN0Bsrm Z8IwK77x9wuoyOdjsM2m9jzDJkXPPvoYmPueb9ig76r0kPq8jgqsaeJgOixKH3/ebd1h XIueS5FbKjzkihce20aBQbK+R/TRL5tJ8T1JsUUPZA/ou2yEI9ZVUo8wn/9XSdqZF+za QP4Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id 3-v6si4442382plz.380.2018.10.24.05.17.00; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 05:17:16 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727444AbeJXUoV (ORCPT + 99 others); Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:44:21 -0400 Received: from relay3-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.195]:49799 "EHLO relay3-d.mail.gandi.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1726812AbeJXUoU (ORCPT ); Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:44:20 -0400 X-Originating-IP: 185.7.230.215 Received: from localhost (unknown [185.7.230.215]) (Authenticated sender: josh@joshtriplett.org) by relay3-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60A1460003; Wed, 24 Oct 2018 12:16:23 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2018 13:16:22 +0100 From: Josh Triplett To: NeilBrown Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman , linux-kernel , Linus Torvalds , ksummit-discuss@lists.linuxfoundation.org, Mishi Choudhary Subject: Re: [Ksummit-discuss] Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document Message-ID: <20181024121622.GA10942@localhost> References: <20181020134908.GA32218@kroah.com> <87y3ar80ac.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> <20181021222608.GA24845@localhost> <875zxt919d.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <875zxt919d.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> User-Agent: Mutt/1.10.1 (2018-07-13) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Tue, Oct 23, 2018 at 07:26:06AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > On Sun, Oct 21 2018, Josh Triplett wrote: > > > On Mon, Oct 22, 2018 at 08:20:11AM +1100, NeilBrown wrote: > >> I call on you, Greg: > >> - to abandon this divisive attempt to impose a "Code of Conduct" > >> - to revert 8a104f8b5867c68 > >> - to return to your core competence of building a great team around > >> a great kernel > >> > >> #Isupportreversion > >> > >> I call on the community to consider what *does* need to be said, about > >> conduct, to people outside the community and who have recently joined. > >> What is the document that you would have liked to have read as you were > >> starting out? It is all too long ago for me to remember clearly, and so > >> much has changed. > > > > The document I would have liked to have read when starting out is > > currently checked into the source tree in > > Documentation/process/code-of-conduct.rst . > > I'm curious - what would you have gained by reading that document? I would have then had rather less of a pervasive feeling of "if I make even a single mistake I get made an example of in ways that will feed people's quotes files for years to come". See https://hbr.org/2017/08/high-performing-teams-need-psychological-safety-heres-how-to-create-it for more on the benefits of that.