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From:   NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>
To:     Rainer Fiebig <jrf@mailbox.org>, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Date:   Fri, 26 Oct 2018 09:18:18 +1100
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Subject: Re: Call to Action Re: [PATCH 0/7] Code of Conduct: Fix some wording, and add an interpretation document
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On Thu, Oct 25 2018, Rainer Fiebig wrote:

> Am Montag, 22. Oktober 2018, 08:20:11 schrieb NeilBrown:
>> On Sat, Oct 20 2018, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >=20
>> > As everyone knows by now, we added a new Code of Conduct to the kernel
>> > tree a few weeks ago.
>>=20
>> I wanted to stay detached from all this, but as remaining (publicly)
>> silent might be seen (publicly) as acquiescing, I hereby declare that:
>>    I reject, as illegitimate, this Code and the process by
>>    which it is being "developed".
>>=20
>> It is clear from the surrounding discussions that this is well outside o=
ur
>> core competencies.  It will be flawed, it isn't what we need.
>>=20
>> I call on any other community members who reject this process to say so,
>> not to remain silent.
>> #Iobject
>>=20
>> We don't need a "Code of Conduct" nearly as much as we need "Leadership
>> in conduct".  Without the leadership, any code looks like a joke.
>>=20
> [...]
>=20=20
>> I call on you, Greg:
>>  - to abandon this divisive attempt to impose a "Code of Conduct"
>>  - to revert 8a104f8b5867c68
>
> Yes but this seems increasingly unlikely now. However, there may be an=20
> alternative.
>
> Jugding by the release-message for 4.19, some people here are fans of=20
> Monty Python's. No wonder - as those guys are famous for being unrelentin=
g=20
> supporters of Political Correctness.
>
> So one would be on the safe side if one just supplemented "Our Pledge"=20
> with this:
>
> 	"Everybody has the right to be offended."
>
> I think, John Cleese would also welcome this.[1]
>
> What do you think?

I do think that giving certain rights to the community is a good thing:
=2D the right to tell anyone that their speech is hurtful
=2D the right to (patch) review by a third party.

I don't think the right to be offended really needs to be given.
Yes, I know it is a joke and I do like Monty Python.  I just don't think
it is particular helpful in this context. Maybe I missed something.
For myself, I relinquish my right to be offended.  I just don't do it.
It doesn't seem to be worth the effort.

Thanks,
NeilBrown


>
> Regards!
>
>
> Rainer Fiebig
>
>
>
> [1] https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3427218/Political-correctnes=
s-killing-comedy-says-John-Cleese-Monty-Python-star-believes-fear-offending=
-certain-groups-lead-1984-style-society-free-expression-not-allowed.html
>
>
> --=20
> The truth always turns out to be simpler than you thought.
> Richard Feynman

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