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From:   NeilBrown <neil@brown.name>
To:     Jiri Kosina <jikos@kernel.org>, Tim.Bird@sony.com
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On Sun, Oct 28 2018, Jiri Kosina wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Oct 2018, Tim.Bird@sony.com wrote:
>
>> Al,
>>
>> Can you please, even in the face of comments you find irritating, keep=20
>> your responses more civil?  Calling someone a "wankstain" is=20
>> unprofessional
>
> Tim,
>
> to be completely honest, communicating anonymously doesn't really match m=
y=20
> "this is highly professional" standards either, so I don't think we shoul=
d=20
> be losing too much sleep over this particular e-mail exchange.

I agree with Tim here.  It doesn't really matter who (or what) you are
talking to, what matters is the context in which you are talking.

We seem to be trying to raise the standard of communication within the
kernel community.  That means all communication.

>
> CoC explicitly requires us to be reasonably nice to the human being on th=
e=20
> other end of the wire, which I whole-heartedly believe is a very noble an=
d=20
> nice goal. But you really have to know at least a little bit who's there=
=20
> on the other end. Otherwise failure to communicate might be sort of=20
> inevitable.

As you know, I think the CoC is a mistake and should be removed.
But seeing you to play that game:
1/ code-of-conduct.rst doesn't contain the word "human" at all
2/ code-of-conduect-interpretation.rst explicitly says
    We know everyone is human
  which could be read as implying that you need to treat the other
  person as human, even if they don't act that way.

Do you *really* want to use the CoC to support your position?

Thanks,
NeilBrown


>
> --=20
> Jiri Kosina
> SUSE Labs

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