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From:   "Eric S. Raymond" <esr@thyrsus.com>
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James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>:
> Actually, I think this whole code vs people debate is a straw man and
> inherently inimical to the discussion. In neither code of conduct (old
> or new) is there any statement that allows one to make a value judgment
> of people relative to code, so the very premise you're all arguing on
> doesn't exist.

The author's original version of the new CoC is, however, associated
with (and intended by its author to implement) "The Post-Meritocracy
Manifesto".

https://postmeritocracy.org/

Do you think it's a stretch to see "people > code" in that?
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