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Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v2 3/5] virtio_ring: add packed ring support
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From:   Jason Wang <jasowang@redhat.com>
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Date:   Fri, 9 Nov 2018 18:04:42 +0800
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On 2018/11/9 上午11:58, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 10:25:28AM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>> On 2018/11/8 下午10:14, Michael S. Tsirkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 08, 2018 at 04:18:25PM +0800, Jason Wang wrote:
>>>> On 2018/11/8 上午9:38, Tiwei Bie wrote:
>>>>>>> +
>>>>>>> +	if (vq->vq.num_free < descs_used) {
>>>>>>> +		pr_debug("Can't add buf len %i - avail = %i\n",
>>>>>>> +			 descs_used, vq->vq.num_free);
>>>>>>> +		/* FIXME: for historical reasons, we force a notify here if
>>>>>>> +		 * there are outgoing parts to the buffer.  Presumably the
>>>>>>> +		 * host should service the ring ASAP. */
>>>>>> I don't think we have a reason to do this for packed ring.
>>>>>> No historical baggage there, right?
>>>>> Based on the original commit log, it seems that the notify here
>>>>> is just an "optimization". But I don't quite understand what does
>>>>> the "the heuristics which KVM uses" refer to. If it's safe to drop
>>>>> this in packed ring, I'd like to do it.
>>>> According to the commit log, it seems like a workaround of lguest networking
>>>> backend. I agree to drop it, we should not have such burden.
>>>>
>>>> But we should notice that, with this removed, the compare between packed vs
>>>> split is kind of unfair.
>>> I don't think this ever triggers to be frank. When would it?
>>
>> I think it can happen e.g in the path of XDP transmission in
>> __virtnet_xdp_xmit_one():
>>
>>
>>          err = virtqueue_add_outbuf(sq->vq, sq->sg, 1, xdpf, GFP_ATOMIC);
>>          if (unlikely(err))
>>                  return -ENOSPC; /* Caller handle free/refcnt */
>>
> I see. We used to do it for regular xmit but stopped
> doing it. Is it fine for xdp then?


There's no traffic control in XDP, so it was the only thing we can do.


>
>>>> Consider the removal of lguest support recently,
>>>> maybe we can drop this for split ring as well?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>> If it's helpful, then for sure we can drop it for virtio 1.
>>> Can you see any perf differences at all? With which device?
>>
>> I don't test but consider the case of XDP_TX in guest plus vhost_net in
>> host. Since vhost_net is half duplex, it's pretty easier to trigger this
>> condition.
>>
>> Thanks
> Sounds reasonable. Worth testing before we change things though.


Let me test and submit a patch.

Thanks


>
>>>>> commit 44653eae1407f79dff6f52fcf594ae84cb165ec4
>>>>> Author: Rusty Russell<rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
>>>>> Date:   Fri Jul 25 12:06:04 2008 -0500
>>>>>
>>>>>        virtio: don't always force a notification when ring is full
>>>>>        We force notification when the ring is full, even if the host has
>>>>>        indicated it doesn't want to know.  This seemed like a good idea at
>>>>>        the time: if we fill the transmit ring, we should tell the host
>>>>>        immediately.
>>>>>        Unfortunately this logic also applies to the receiving ring, which is
>>>>>        refilled constantly.  We should introduce real notification thesholds
>>>>>        to replace this logic.  Meanwhile, removing the logic altogether breaks
>>>>>        the heuristics which KVM uses, so we use a hack: only notify if there are
>>>>>        outgoing parts of the new buffer.
>>>>>        Here are the number of exits with lguest's crappy network implementation:
>>>>>        Before:
>>>>>                network xmit 7859051 recv 236420
>>>>>        After:
>>>>>                network xmit 7858610 recv 118136
>>>>>        Signed-off-by: Rusty Russell<rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
>>>>>
>>>>> diff --git a/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c b/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
>>>>> index 72bf8bc09014..21d9a62767af 100644
>>>>> --- a/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
>>>>> +++ b/drivers/virtio/virtio_ring.c
>>>>> @@ -87,8 +87,11 @@ static int vring_add_buf(struct virtqueue *_vq,
>>>>>     	if (vq->num_free < out + in) {
>>>>>     		pr_debug("Can't add buf len %i - avail = %i\n",
>>>>>     			 out + in, vq->num_free);
>>>>> -		/* We notify*even if*  VRING_USED_F_NO_NOTIFY is set here. */
>>>>> -		vq->notify(&vq->vq);
>>>>> +		/* FIXME: for historical reasons, we force a notify here if
>>>>> +		 * there are outgoing parts to the buffer.  Presumably the
>>>>> +		 * host should service the ring ASAP. */
>>>>> +		if (out)
>>>>> +			vq->notify(&vq->vq);
>>>>>     		END_USE(vq);
>>>>>     		return -ENOSPC;
>>>>>     	}
>>>>>
>>>>>