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To: Greg KH , Daniel Colascione Cc: linux-kernel , Joel Fernandes , Linux API References: <20181110192027.GA29892@kroah.com> From: Vlastimil Babka Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=vbabka@suse.cz; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFZdmxYBEADsw/SiUSjB0dM+vSh95UkgcHjzEVBlby/Fg+g42O7LAEkCYXi/vvq31JTB KxRWDHX0R2tgpFDXHnzZcQywawu8eSq0LxzxFNYMvtB7sV1pxYwej2qx9B75qW2plBs+7+YB 87tMFA+u+L4Z5xAzIimfLD5EKC56kJ1CsXlM8S/LHcmdD9Ctkn3trYDNnat0eoAcfPIP2OZ+ 9oe9IF/R28zmh0ifLXyJQQz5ofdj4bPf8ecEW0rhcqHfTD8k4yK0xxt3xW+6Exqp9n9bydiy tcSAw/TahjW6yrA+6JhSBv1v2tIm+itQc073zjSX8OFL51qQVzRFr7H2UQG33lw2QrvHRXqD Ot7ViKam7v0Ho9wEWiQOOZlHItOOXFphWb2yq3nzrKe45oWoSgkxKb97MVsQ+q2SYjJRBBH4 8qKhphADYxkIP6yut/eaj9ImvRUZZRi0DTc8xfnvHGTjKbJzC2xpFcY0DQbZzuwsIZ8OPJCc LM4S7mT25NE5kUTG/TKQCk922vRdGVMoLA7dIQrgXnRXtyT61sg8PG4wcfOnuWf8577aXP1x 6mzw3/jh3F+oSBHb/GcLC7mvWreJifUL2gEdssGfXhGWBo6zLS3qhgtwjay0Jl+kza1lo+Cv BB2T79D4WGdDuVa4eOrQ02TxqGN7G0Biz5ZLRSFzQSQwLn8fbwARAQABzSFWbGFzdGltaWwg QmFia2EgPHZiYWJrYUBzdXNlLmNvbT7CwZcEEwEKAEECGwMFCwkIBwMFFQoJCAsFFgIDAQAC HgECF4ACGQEWIQSpQNQ0mSwujpkQPVAiT6fnzIKmZAUCWi/zTwUJBbOLuQAKCRAiT6fnzIKm ZIpED/4jRN/6LKZZIT4R2xoou0nJkBGVA3nfb+mUMgi3uwn/zC+o6jjc3ShmP0LQ0cdeuSt/ t2ytstnuARTFVqZT4/IYzZgBsLM8ODFY5vGfPw00tsZMIfFuVPQX3xs0XgLEHw7/1ZCVyJVr mTzYmV3JruwhMdUvIzwoZ/LXjPiEx1MRdUQYHAWwUfsl8lUZeu2QShL3KubR1eH6lUWN2M7t VcokLsnGg4LTajZzZfq2NqCKEQMY3JkAmOu/ooPTrfHCJYMF/5dpi8YF1CkQF/PVbnYbPUuh dRM0m3NzPtn5DdyfFltJ7fobGR039+zoCo6dFF9fPltwcyLlt1gaItfX5yNbOjX3aJSHY2Vc A5T+XAVC2sCwj0lHvgGDz/dTsMM9Ob/6rRJANlJPRWGYk3WVWnbgW8UejCWtn1FkiY/L/4qJ UsqkId8NkkVdVAenCcHQmOGjRQYTpe6Cf4aQ4HGNDeWEm3H8Uq9vmHhXXcPLkxBLRbGDSHyq vUBVaK+dAwAsXn/5PlGxw1cWtur1ep7RDgG3vVQDhIOpAXAg6HULjcbWpBEFaoH720oyGmO5 kV+yHciYO3nPzz/CZJzP5Ki7Q1zqBb/U6gib2at5Ycvews+vTueYO+rOb9sfD8BFTK386LUK uce7E38owtgo/V2GV4LMWqVOy1xtCB6OAUfnGDU2EM7ATQRbGTU1AQgAn0H6UrFiWcovkh6E XVcl+SeqyO6JHOPm+e9Wu0Vw+VIUvXZVUVVQLa1PQDUi6j00ChlcR66g9/V0sPIcSutacPKf dKYOBvzd4rlhL8rfrdEsQw5ApZxrA8kYZVMhFmBRKAa6wos25moTlMKpCWzTH84+WO5+ziCT sTUZASAToz3RdunTD+vQcHj0GqNTPAHK63sfbAB2I0BslZkXkY1RLb/YhuA6E7JyEd2pilZO rIuBGl/5q2qSakgnAVFWFBR/DO27JuAksYnq+aH8vI0xGvwn75KqSk4UzAkDzWSmO4ZHuahK tQgZNsMYV+PGayRBX9b9zbldzopoLBdqHc4njQARAQABwsF8BBgBCgAmFiEEqUDUNJksLo6Z ED1QIk+n58yCpmQFAlsZNTUCGwwFCQPCZwAACgkQIk+n58yCpmQ83g/9Frg1sRMdGPn98zV+ O2eC3h0p5f/oxxQ8MhG5znwHoW4JDG2TuxfcQuz7X7Dd5JWscjlw4VFJ2DD+IrDAGLHwPhCr RyfKalnrbYokvbClM9EuU1oUuh7k+Sg5ECNXEsamW9AiWGCaKWNDdHre3Lf4xl+RJWxghOVW RiUdpLA/a3yDvJNVr6rxkDHQ1P24ZZz/VKDyP+6g8aty2aWEU0YFNjI+rqYZb2OppDx6fdma YnLDcIfDFnkVlDmpznnGCyEqLLyMS3GH52AH13zMT9L9QYgT303+r6QQpKBIxAwn8Jg8dAlV OLhgeHXKr+pOQdFf6iu2sXlUR4MkO/5KWM1K0jFR2ug8Pb3aKOhowVMBT64G0TXhQ/kX4tZ2 ZF0QZLUCHU3Cigvbu4AWWVMNDEOGD/4sn9OoHxm6J04jLUHFUpFKDcjab4NRNWoHLsuLGjve Gdbr2RKO2oJ5qZj81K7os0/5vTAA4qHDP2EETAQcunTn6aPlkUnJ8aw6I1Rwyg7/XsU7gQHF IM/cUMuWWm7OUUPtJeR8loxZiZciU7SMvN1/B9ycPMFs/A6EEzyG+2zKryWry8k7G/pcPrFx O2PkDPy3YmN1RfpIX2HEmnCEFTTCsKgYORangFu/qOcXvM83N+2viXxG4mjLAMiIml1o2lKV cqmP8roqufIAj+Ohhzs= Message-ID: <6a415f31-2bce-72fa-2ff0-5cbbd572347b@suse.cz> Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2018 20:58:25 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.2.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20181110192027.GA29892@kroah.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 11/10/18 8:20 PM, Greg KH wrote: > On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 10:52:06AM -0800, Daniel Colascione wrote: >> Now that glibc is basically not adding any new system call wrappers, > > Why are they not doing that anymore? FYI just noticed there's a topic relevant to this in LPC Toolchain MC: https://linuxplumbersconf.org/event/2/contributions/149/ > And there's no reason you have to use glibc, there are many other libcs > out there that hopefully are adding the new syscalls :) > >> how about publishing an "official" system call glue library as part of >> the kernel distribution, along with the uapi headers? I don't think >> it's reasonable to expect people to keep using syscall(__NR_XXX) for >> all new functionality, especially as the system grows increasingly >> sophisticated capabilities (like the new mount API, and hopefully the >> new process API) outside the strictures of the POSIX process. > > Patches are always welcome to be reviewed. But watch out that they > don't conflict with the libc headers. I know we had a "klibc" proposed > a long time ago but that died off for various reasons before it could > get merged. > > Also, what about the basic work of making sure our uapi header files can > actually be used untouched by a libc? That isn't the case these days as > the bionic maintainers like to keep reminding me. That might be a good > thing to do _before_ trying to add new things like syscall wrappers. > > thanks, > > greg k-h >