Received: by 2002:ad5:474a:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id i10csp2879657imu; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 03:02:56 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5eggFPLBtyR+0VAJKETblOG4TJ5IXGGSCMS0Ks3TTCl0bwy0Lj1yWwX4rbXfhftH4cTDLBt X-Received: by 2002:a63:94:: with SMTP id 142mr13548193pga.74.1541934176645; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 03:02:56 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1541934176; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=UNbk01Dp4sDoEMKwKlEPP85rBty58qlumpwBMlzbxGv6kF7OXECEMRcjmQtB3kxk6U d17D9XtYzcFvvEeCx4lS5K5VsZ4138nIJMSO8GBMCBR7g5i3c+Jvb5VBYMhqgj+S1mTK vp+IE8/+dwH1XQUQVT2zeFDUhKOXqUizvXGb0IyZXLXsfXdGceU3A40A8vwKyeoTRSbk kRRkuIHv9G02riVob52kreqV2HMR8R91vVEQZbF/iJJmMhj3xsO5VGQXF8enATioOtsh M7fJkXZPi6NRul/xfivmaUrgyeeH6inKtrBl5ch5HZdFKfFNzL+cPioSNRf85z95qYFS a7+g== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:mime-version:user-agent:message-id :in-reply-to:date:references:subject:cc:to:from; bh=aKiSc5jQ1GOElmMsek5rYNQd2nqY+a0Plp/m63zAwAY=; b=pKuDRkhvegdAUygl03UnuUv9E85U3VAT9r3Rix2nPtUZGUHOdILANu9WwQKuIAB6Dk U2UwXeER73xOxIhKl1ZGcsmt1rrRM8o8dZlBqMNj4rUXehfNC2GSlz8Af7hDcwLopbnC S9NzWS6OGBZdd8ZSyRzdRQI+6invIEDIqDnQmhOMsRCTQqGf0ej+/49DcIafrDdybrAC aSw3Nfa6ydbchFKaXDosyW8X0L+WI+lupjYR86mEN0qCAXWg6SYs6KnTUawgK80fsiyB f/yi7wFfzOlokIkavtwFOrnLd1TuBWaR9fAQDTito6Lo/iVB/aEsfkFbiEXwjHsnSbdo y9Og== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=redhat.com Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id j10si13795523pgt.155.2018.11.11.03.02.35; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 03:02:56 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org; dmarc=fail (p=NONE sp=NONE dis=NONE) header.from=redhat.com Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1727508AbeKKUu2 (ORCPT + 99 others); Sun, 11 Nov 2018 15:50:28 -0500 Received: from mx1.redhat.com ([209.132.183.28]:44488 "EHLO mx1.redhat.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1727344AbeKKUu2 (ORCPT ); Sun, 11 Nov 2018 15:50:28 -0500 Received: from smtp.corp.redhat.com (int-mx05.intmail.prod.int.phx2.redhat.com [10.5.11.15]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mx1.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2DEFC308624C; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from oldenburg.str.redhat.com (ovpn-116-74.ams2.redhat.com [10.36.116.74]) by smtp.corp.redhat.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id D44E55D736; Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:02:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Florian Weimer To: "Michael Kerrisk \(man-pages\)" Cc: Willy Tarreau , Daniel Colascione , linux-kernel , Joel Fernandes , Linux API , Vlastimil Babka , Carlos O'Donell , "libc-alpha\@sourceware.org" Subject: Re: Official Linux system wrapper library? References: <20181111081725.GA30248@1wt.eu> <3664a508-ca74-4ff0-39a6-34543194a24e@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2018 12:02:04 +0100 In-Reply-To: <3664a508-ca74-4ff0-39a6-34543194a24e@gmail.com> (Michael Kerrisk's message of "Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:53:54 +0100") Message-ID: <878t1zx4gj.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/25.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.79 on 10.5.11.15 X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.16 (mx1.redhat.com [10.5.110.49]); Sun, 11 Nov 2018 11:02:14 +0000 (UTC) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org * Michael Kerrisk: > I'm not sure I'd view the glibc position quite so harshly (although > it is disappointing to me that bug 6399 remains open). I think they > are simply short of people to work on this task. There was a lengthy > period where no syscall wrappers were being added (pretty much from > 2.16 to 2.24, as far as I can tell), but that has changed. People may have disappeared from glibc development who have objected to gettid. I thought this was the case with strlcpy/strlcat, but it was not. At present, it takes one semi-active glibc contributor to block addition of a system call. The process to override a sustained objection has never been used successfully, and it is a lot of work to get it even started. Thanks, Florian