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Ts'o" CC: Daniel Colascione , Szabolcs Nagy , Dave P Martin , nd , Florian Weimer , "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" , linux-kernel , Joel Fernandes , Linux API , Willy Tarreau , Vlastimil Babka , Carlos O'Donell , "libc-alpha@sourceware.org" Subject: Re: Official Linux system wrapper library? In-Reply-To: <20181115170807.GB20617@thunk.org> Message-ID: References: <875zx2vhpd.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> <20181113193859.GJ3505@e103592.cambridge.arm.com> <5853c297-9d84-86e5-dede-aa2957562c6b@arm.com> <20181115053026.GA20617@thunk.org> <20181115170807.GB20617@thunk.org> User-Agent: Alpine 2.21 (DEB 202 2017-01-01) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" X-Originating-IP: [137.202.0.90] X-ClientProxiedBy: svr-ies-mbx-02.mgc.mentorg.com (139.181.222.2) To SVR-IES-MBX-03.mgc.mentorg.com (139.181.222.3) Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, 15 Nov 2018, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > On Thu, Nov 15, 2018 at 04:29:43PM +0000, Joseph Myers wrote: > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2018, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote: > > > > > That's great. But is it or is it not true (either de jure or de > > > facto) that "a single active glibc developer" can block a system call > > > from being supported by glibc by objecting? And if not, under what is > > > the process by resolving a conflict? > > > > We use a consensus-building process as described at > > . > > So can a single glibc developer can block Consensus? If it's a sustained objection - it still works an awful lot better than how things worked before 2011/12. (See my suggestion of having a process involving a supermajority vote of the GNU maintainers for glibc in the rare cases where a consensus cannot be reached - but those are rare enough that actually agreeing a process for such cases has never been a priority.) -- Joseph S. Myers joseph@codesourcery.com