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On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 02:26:38PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 03:26:15PM -0500, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 01:11:56PM -0700, Jason Gunthorpe wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2018 at 02:46:32PM -0500, Jerome Glisse wrote:
> > > 
> > > > > ?? How can O_DIRECT be fine but RDMA not? They use exactly the same
> > > > > get_user_pages flow, right? Can we do what O_DIRECT does in RDMA and
> > > > > be fine too?
> > > > > 
> > > > > AFAIK the only difference is the length of the race window. You'd have
> > > > > to fork and fault during the shorter time O_DIRECT has get_user_pages
> > > > > open.
> > > > 
> > > > Well in O_DIRECT case there is only one page table, the CPU
> > > > page table and it gets updated during fork() so there is an
> > > > ordering there and the race window is small.
> > > 
> > > Not really, in O_DIRECT case there is another 'page table', we just
> > > call it a DMA scatter/gather list and it is sent directly to the block
> > > device's DMA HW. The sgl plays exactly the same role as the various HW
> > > page list data structures that underly RDMA MRs.
> > > 
> > > It is not a page table that matters here, it is if the DMA address of
> > > the page is active for DMA on HW.
> > > 
> > > Like you say, the only difference is that the race is hopefully small
> > > with O_DIRECT (though that is not really small, NVMeof for instance
> > > has windows as large as connection timeouts, if you try hard enough)
> > > 
> > > So we probably can trigger this trouble with O_DIRECT and fork(), and
> > > I would call it a bug :(
> > 
> > I can not think of any scenario that would be a bug with O_DIRECT.
> > Do you have one in mind ? When you fork() and do other syscall that
> > affect the memory of your process in another thread you should
> > expect non consistant results. Kernel is not here to provide a fully
> > safe environement to user, user can shoot itself in the foot and
> > that's fine as long as it only affect the process itself and no one
> > else. We should not be in the business of making everything baby
> > proof :)
> 
> Sure, I setup AIO with O_DIRECT and launch a read.
> 
> Then I fork and dirty the READ target memory using the CPU in the
> child.
> 
> As you described in this case the fork will retain the physical page
> that is undergoing O_DIRECT DMA, and the parent gets a new copy'd page.
> 
> The DMA completes, and the child gets the DMA'd to page. The parent
> gets an unchanged copy'd page.
> 
> The parent gets the AIO completion, but can't see the data.
> 
> I'd call that a bug with O_DIRECT. The only correct outcome is that
> the parent will always see the O_DIRECT data. Fork should not cause
> the *parent* to malfunction. I agree the child cannot make any
> prediction what memory it will see.
> 
> I assume the same flow is possible using threads and read()..
> 
> It is really no different than the RDMA bug with fork.
> 

Yes and that's expected behavior :) If you fork() and have anything
still in flight at time of fork that can change your process address
space (including data in it) then all bets are of.

At least this is my reading of fork() syscall.

Cheers,
J?r?me