Received: by 2002:ad5:474a:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id i10csp816386imu; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 05:53:11 -0800 (PST) X-Google-Smtp-Source: AJdET5errisnnDqMX3g8c9X/um4qhiEV0XRgxwuN434ygPVfVJiZn2HQT1X4/GUvc3/vLv+RhGmR X-Received: by 2002:a62:cd44:: with SMTP id o65mr11457649pfg.222.1542894791646; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 05:53:11 -0800 (PST) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1542894791; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=oIwij34iYAsfwMViu4fJXtBcjsFAT7iljJ4QveQ/4h1WBn+/ide8rFmYkxIrOgauyx /U+dwS8C5d8ewd4oDOgcVdy+CANUjMI0I+ScCGKO+CuRrGJmC6lcKskwM3ogrrOnOWGI 6cdGmiDuUDRnalT2EfrMdUpEzpOBj+Ji3B/ktcii4sIJeokpcvio1b0GswQIBQ/QDHO4 90B5xPFjHRfMA8OSU5orhxpau7Y9EVFWXzsoNictfHyp9JeEkGiY93axo+IsCQ+6+mgd Zk8fkKSfHDKGBOGX0q3MyQNjrPIi06u0G5h4rAUcjKUizfJMAYXoRGCo4lOmm4vYhuVb 0Iow== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=list-id:precedence:sender:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :references:in-reply-to:message-id:subject:cc:to:from:date; bh=8iMlrEG1xch0D4hPrYbHbZ9zbuUKnQb1HzOxDUSor4Q=; b=aK2csZ85geMantsG6+z+gQt28DD00yQGtpiDd/mGhIFsgKOdLhpAvmTnUP11pug185 ZyQ5+56kO32Bar5mjFX6vvtygy0djI10ouU3Clh20RlKCUam/SHSkBOr7XY0Fg0nIwBn HneEkSBPWrKbP4JljFKoWlK6hfVJ3wocw+S0dyRvIrV0j1Jg7uwdG+BRSlm3R0wbmk78 +Z0bDtLm2Q8vn2YroNqsg138Gzqt8djdMp84cWa1h1hK8/itX7eVQE+Yeses/RGxIaq+ D5OCbDbmmMN+ynO618oqTD7HAagPbtyYxDlB3snyToLFcg3E8gnmowgO3TITUBO0jo3h 40fw== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Return-Path: Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org. [209.132.180.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTP id bh5-v6si16670609plb.204.2018.11.22.05.52.56; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 05:53:11 -0800 (PST) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.132.180.67; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org designates 209.132.180.67 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S2391520AbeKVMGV (ORCPT + 99 others); Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:06:21 -0500 Received: from mail.linuxfoundation.org ([140.211.169.12]:48480 "EHLO mail.linuxfoundation.org" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1732627AbeKVMGU (ORCPT ); Thu, 22 Nov 2018 07:06:20 -0500 Received: from localhost.localdomain (c-24-6-170-16.hsd1.ca.comcast.net [24.6.170.16]) by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A276E9D; Thu, 22 Nov 2018 01:29:21 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:29:19 -0800 From: Andrew Morton To: Daniel Colascione Cc: linux-kernel , Linux API , Tim Murray , Primiano Tucci , Joel Fernandes , Jonathan Corbet , Mike Rapoport , Vlastimil Babka , Roman Gushchin , Prashant Dhamdhere , "Dennis Zhou (Facebook)" , "Eric W. Biederman" , rostedt@goodmis.org, tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@kernel.org, linux@dominikbrodowski.net, jpoimboe@redhat.com, Ard Biesheuvel , Michal Hocko , Stephen Rothwell , ktsanaktsidis@zendesk.com, David Howells , "open list:DOCUMENTATION" Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] Add /proc/pid_gen Message-Id: <20181121172919.1b6585e17770d0be7dd8c4d9@linux-foundation.org> In-Reply-To: References: <20181121201452.77173-1-dancol@google.com> <20181121205428.165205-1-dancol@google.com> <20181121141220.0e533c1dcb4792480efbf3ff@linux-foundation.org> <20181121145043.fa029f4f91afddc2a10bb81e@linux-foundation.org> <20181121162247.467fcab6c0aca0819a822286@linux-foundation.org> <20181121165741.ef089df784482632c4a66370@linux-foundation.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.5.1 (GTK+ 2.24.31; x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Wed, 21 Nov 2018 17:08:08 -0800 Daniel Colascione wrote: > Have you done much > retrospective long trace analysis? No. Have you? Of course you have, which is why I and others are dependent upon you to explain why this change is worth adding to Linux. If this thing solves a problem which we expect will not occur for anyone between now and the heat death of the universe then this impacts our decisions. > The patch already describes the problem, the solution, and the way in > which this solution is provided. What more information do you want? I want to know how useful the darn thing is! Why is this so hard? And my thus-far-unanswered question regarding testing the feature is also relevant to that understanding. What does a testcase look like? If we're not actually able to construct one then what does that mean?