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Harding" , makita.toshiaki@lab.ntt.co.jp, Willem de Bruijn , Yonghong Song , yanjun.zhu@oracle.com Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/15] Zero ****s, hugload of hugs <3 Message-ID: <20181130151459.3ca2f5c8@lwn.net> In-Reply-To: <20181130221219.GA25537@linux.intel.com> References: <20181130192737.15053-1-jarkko.sakkinen@linux.intel.com> <20181130195652.7syqys76646kpaph@linux-r8p5> <20181130205521.GA21006@linux.intel.com> <1543611662.3031.20.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20181130214405.GG23772@linux.intel.com> <1543615069.3031.27.camel@HansenPartnership.com> <20181130221219.GA25537@linux.intel.com> Organization: LWN.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Fri, 30 Nov 2018 14:12:19 -0800 Jarkko Sakkinen wrote: > As a maintainer myself (and based on somewhat disturbed feedback from > other maintainers) I can only make the conclusion that nobody knows what > the responsibility part here means. > > I would interpret, if I read it like at lawyer at least, that even for > existing code you would need to do the changes postmorterm. > > Is this wrong interpretation? Should I conclude that I made a mistake > by reading the CoC and trying to understand what it *actually* says? > After this discussion, I can say that I understand it less than before. Have you read Documentation/process/code-of-conduct-interpretation.rst? As has been pointed out, it contains a clear answer to how things should be interpreted here. Thanks, jon